Other half opened one last night and asked me to taste, we weren't sure if it was gone off or not which is really not a good sign.
Yeah. It's a little thin but more interesting than most other 0.5 products.
Anyone tried Kinnegar Low Tide?
My one was... bah, I'm not going back to the sodding bin again, but the mass market IPA and had the same teeny tiny text.
Tiniest / hardest to read print I've ever seen on a beer can though
The other can I bought on Monday was May Contain Sixpence, no Re-Turn symbol on that though.
Presumably the brewer still has to pay up for these labelled cans released early?
Must remember not to crush this one after I drink it π
(after retrieving it from the recycling pile)
Yes, amazingly. Has "EU:" and their Dutch importer listed.
Lucky Saint non alcoholic beer are after moving into the Irish market through Tesco and Dunnes after a very successful first few years in the UK.
It's a recent start up from London contract brewed out of Germany so whether you wanna call it a craft brewery or brand is up to yourself.
If it's the same people who are supposed to be enforcing all the already-illegal cans out there, be grand.
Do the Vocation cans have an address inside the EU printed on them?
I've so far spotted Re-Turn logos on Galway Bay and, more oddly to be this early, Vocation (from England) cans.
Plenty of stuff with 09-11/24 BBEs without them - not that it'll be of benefit to the brewery flogging them off, but I can forsee a lot of imminently illegal to sell cans being sold at MUP in a few moths.
I'm guessing the spelt and the oats, which wouldn't be allowed under the German purity law, make it seem farmhouse-like: using whatever grains are to hand.
It's lager sold in cans found discarded down a boreen.
Being serious I'm gonna assume they are going for a farmhouse ale type vibe. Or maybe it's unfiltered or something.
Speaking of styles, categories and origins, what makes a lager "rustic"?
https://craftcentral.ie/collections/coming-soon/products/clearest-echoes
Two DIPAs in one glass?
So; basically, the nub of what everyone else has said is correct.
We maybe could have done without the semantics. Some people, it seems, find delight in showing off how much they know about silly details that may, or may not, be accurate.
As I understand it, pale ale, probably well hopped, was shipped to India. It just wasn't called IPA and was probably no stronger than other beers of its day.
That about it, BN?
In Europe, brewing had to stop for the summer because it was too warm. There was NO chance that a 19th century brewer could make acceptable beer in the Indian climate. It had to be shipped.
Thinking about quadruples on a Monday - slippery slope stuff! π
That said, I wouldn't mind a Straffe Hendrik or a La Trappe sometime soon. π€
I'm just super bummed they didn't ship high strengh ale to India now. But then, its makes sense, its takes months to get to India, just brew it there!
I never would have commented if you'd said 11% in the first place! See what you started! π€£π€£
(I've actually learned a lot, so thanks!)
I think maybe you have misunderstood what I was trying to say. To recap: IPA as the central feature of "craft beer" (for want of a better term) as we know it today is an American thing. English IPA was all but dead by the end of the 20th century, with just a handful of hangers-on. Then came Sierra Nevada and the other west-coast brewers: looking to English IPA for inspiration but using fresh local hops to make American IPA its own thing. The American microbrewing movement hadn't really had a style of its own -- the Samuel Adams flagship was a Vienna lager; Pete's Wicked was a brown ale -- but when the hop craze properly took off, American IPA was it, thanks to the likes of Stone and Ballast Point going all-in on big hops and big alcohol with a big attitude. By the mid-2000s, the American IPA concept had been exported: Jaipur and its offspring Punk in the UK; Galway Hooker the first baby step here on the route to what would later bring us Flora & Fauna, Of Foam & Fury and all the other big hop-blast American-style IPAs that we now take for granted. Craft-brewed IPA is an American concept, wherever the beer happens to be brewed and consumed.
With the concept, came the story. American brewers trying to sell the first modern American IPAs needed to tell people what it was. They knew that hops were central to the beer's character; they knew that they were brewing it stronger than English pale ale; and they knew that export to India featured in its history. These three facts were embroidered together into the (not unreasonable) idea that IPA was an extra-strong, extra-hoppy version of pale ale, made for export to India. They invented a sliding scale of strengths with pale ale at the low end and IPA at the high end, because that's the way they ran their breweries' ranges. Nobody at that point knew any better, so that became the "official" origin story. But that doesn't mean it's true. We now know it isn't: for 19th century British breweries, pale ale and IPA were largely synonymous terms, not two different products in a range.
English breweries didn't do marketing like this. They didn't need to. Customers went to the pub owned by their local brewery and drank what was there. They didn't need a whole origin story. The origin story is a feature of 1980s American marketing, and where it exists on this side of the Atlantic, we got it from there when we adopted their way of doing beer.
Actually thats my bad it was 11% π€¦ββοΈ
That also does not say "the IPA myth was invented in the US"
It might say it was oft mentioned by a British guy who was much loved in the US. Prove was obviously the wrong word to use though.
Godammit, my whole joie de vivre was based on consuming ales for knowledge and respect. You've roundly punctured that balloon in a hurtful way. π
Drinking ale for a long time doesn't make you knowledgeable about its history, especially when there's such a long pedigree of misinformation out there. The truth is in contemporary accounts and brewing records, and only there. That's the spadework that the likes of Pattinson and Cornell have done.
Very well put.
Paragraph two of his Wikipedia page, citing his obituary in The New York Times, says "He is credited with helping to start a renaissance of interest in beer and breweries worldwide in the 1970s, particularly in the United States". He was extremely influential on the early American microbrewing scene. Your point remains thoroughly unproven.
It's a brave commenter calls anything BN says about beer, horseshlt!
This should be interesting πΏ
Jackson would actually prove my point that the myth doesn't come from the US given that he is British and wrote for British papers. Good chance too that he is repeating not inventing a myth.
So you're right they probably have read his stuff without knowing it.
Horsesht he invented the idea of beer existing in styles though unless you just mean he popularised the word "style" in the anglophone beer market.
They can't have no contact with beer outside of drinking it. If they believe something about its history, then that must have come from somewhere, and most likely from the pages of What's Brewing or The Good Beer Guide.
They have read Jackson because things Jackson wrote, in Britain and the US, got repeated extensively, by other journalists, and in brewery marketing material. He had an immense influence on how beer is talked about. You may never have read a Jackson book or article, but if you regard beer as having groups of styles related to each other and having historical and geographical relationships, then you're quoting Jackson because he invented that. He created the concept of beer existing in "styles", and chose the word style for it because he was a journalist.
"Drinking ale for a long time doesn't make you knowledgeable about its history" I agree and the people I'm talking about have no contact with beer outside of drinking it which is why I'm surprised they are picking up on a US craft beer scene myth. These people have never read Jackson or any beer blogger.
I wouldn't be at all surprised if the US were only picking up on an urban legend rather than inventing it.
The myths are even repeated by celebrated and award-winning beer writers. Michael Jackson was an absolute divil for publishing stuff like this, because it's a good story and he didn't care about the historical facts. When he became the guru of the newly-formed American beer scene, the stuff he got wrong was repeated as fact, and still is. You still see myths in the writings of Roger Protz, but he's got more careful now that the Internet tends to call him out on it.
Beside, Greene King IPA and Eagle IPA (formerly Wells Eagle) are two of England's longest running IPAs and both are 3.6% ABV. Anyone who thinks they came from beer being brewed extra strong for India has a bit of explaining to do there.
Maybe it is urban legend but I can't believe it comes from US home brewers because the story is also very widely accepted with traditional ale drinkers in England including ones who have been drinking ale a lot longer than any story would make its way over and would have no contact with any beer "scene"
