"average Dublin house prices should fall to ‘the €300,000 mark" according to Many Lou McD.

I think the ones who are waiting for SF to sort their housing problems will be the ones who will ultimately be in for a shock. Not sure what the plan B will be. At the very least the younger generation will have ownership of the problem, so they can quit blaming older generations for everything.

That SCSI calculation is telling us only the price to build in a dysfunctional market.

It's including a lot of the profiteering as it's based on cost reports from the industry.

They haven't sat down and calculated at x tradesperson hours it will cost this. It's including what they've had to pay the subcontractor to get those tradespeople in in sites over the last few years.

As an indicator professional fees listed have nearly doubled in the last five years, anybody here had their salary double?

The intention is to get people who may be finding it difficult find employment to move into areas where they shouldn't have any problems, like IT, medical and pharma.

Trade apprenticeships are paid. Can you answer what springboard participants are paid? I can't find anything. They get part of their course paid.

We might be at "full employment", but not everyone who wants to be employed is. Do I really need to explain this? It is pretty simple stuff. Sometimes people take degrees in things that don't have great employment prospects and they find it hard to get a job.

Your brother is getting part fees paid on the springboard then, course is probably 11-12k or something like that for the year. You have to have been unemployed to get social welfare, they aren't giving it to people who are working and decide they want to do a masters or whatever.

The only undergrads I can think of who are actually paid would be nurses, but only during their placement and that is just a recent thing.

I believe you have to be unemployed for six weeks and then you'll retain any payments.

My brother pays 500 towards the course.

I believe trade apprentices are still charged college fees when they do their college time.

Come to think of it, it's probably fairer to say apprentices pay for their training. At least for the first couple of years typically most of their time will be spent doing general labour, which would otherwise pay a lot more.

You have to be unemployed but only for a few weeks.

To get the same benefits on the non strategic courses you have to be unemployed for I believe over a year.

Plus they'll pay for courses for people already in secure well paid employment in these it/pharma areas.

That doesn't happen outside these critical skills pathways.

Wow, they're increasing the first year apprentice rate to 9euro in June. That'll have them running. You'd be paid probably twice that as a general labourer, which is the work they'll be doing most of the time.

The mindset in the quote above is part the problem imo. That because most of the world (and this would include desperately poor nations) lives in overcrowded accommodation we should be happy to do so also.

What is wrong with setting a goal that a single person, say a barista in a cafe in Dublin, should within a reasonable distance of their employment be able to afford a basic one bedroom (bedroom, bathroom, kitchen/living room) apartment; initially to rent but with enough spare cash to save for a deposit to purchase a similar dwelling over time?

It won't be realistic to have that tomorrow but as an eventual goal, what is the problem with it? Why would a sane person be against this as a goal?

I'd say I got the cake from the baker.

Exactly the same way the government are getting the hospital from the construction company.

I didn't bake the cake, I paid for it.

The government did not build the children's hospital, they paid for it.

Ok. So if you spec the cake badly or make changes or leave out requirements and the baker has to accommodate them half way through, is that your fault or the bakers?