EV Depreciation

Cupra are misers with Spec though..can you even get matrix on them?

James Barry Motors have a red one advertised on Carzone at that money.

Used 2023 (231) Cupra Born * NO MILEAGE * MASSIVE SAVINGS * JAMES BARRY MOTORS 061-224000 * in Limerick (carzone.ie)

Eh...no. Born standard spec is noticeably better than the ID3.

“Huge spec” - but we’re not going to tell you any of it 🙄

Finding this thread very interesting. I've been thinking about going the EV route for some time and to my mind, a Cupra Born makes sense. I'm in a 2017 Mazda 3 petrol at the moment and apart from occasional trips to Dublin/Galway, my driving is mainly around the city (Limerick).

Looks like now is becoming a good time to make the change, financially.

What’s the rear room like for feet in the Born? I have found the ID3 uncomfortable in the back as feet are swashed under the front seats - so can’t stretch legs out - might be different if you have petit feet and wear pumps but alas I don’t’

Same platform but different packaging, quite a bit more than different badging

I have 3 EVs, two of them are under warranty and one isnt. However the tales of battery mass failure are not happening and I am not concerned. Indeed, I'd be more concerned owning an out of warranty 2016-2020 diesel than a 2016-2020 EV

I think you are missing the point, as someone who owns and has driven older EVs it's not you that needs convincing - it's people who have yet to buy one.

The following need to happen I think for there to be enough confidence to blow the scare stories away.

Used EVs should have a standard method for determining their deterioration and their health. This should be available in report format and be easily accessible through the infotainment system.

Battery warranty or insurance needs to be a product that anyone can buy and renew. I want to sell my old EV? "I have 9 months battery insurance and an NCT too" is the kind of thing I'd like to start seeing in ads.

Lastly, the cost of battery replacement and repair work needs to be more affordable. The modularisation of batteries has helped but not fixed it.

I've a feeling that the car industry is looking at the mobile phone one and will try to emulate it: That the expectation is that all car owners hold a new car for a few years before replacing with new again and there is no secondary market to speak of. Cars will get cheaper but harder to repair with the emergence of mega and giga casting, leading to a more throw away culture.

Model S is not a 7 series or S class. Not at all. Have you sat in a 7er or an S? It's a Sonderklasse for a reason. The Tesla is not a premium executive car. It's a 5 series segment, not a 7. Full size sedan yes but executive/premium, no!

Have you seen used S prices. There's a reason they never go below 15-20k. Even crashed ones. The battery in them has such value that you can buy a crashed car for 15k, sell the battery, and make your money back, then part out the rest for profit.

If only the motor goes (and bear in mind the first cars had 8 years and unlimited mile warranty) then it's not expensive to fix, a couple of k probably. It's certainly not scrap. If the battery goes, that would likely scrap the car. However. Batteries never go on these cars thanks to the BMS. What does happen is one module goes and as you rightly mentioned that's only a few hundred quid per module. There's already companies in the UK and US doing module replacements so its only a matter of time before they come here.

I'd prefer a 20k out of warranty tesla to a 20k out of warranty bimmer/mercedes/audi etc, be that a 5 or 7 series.

530d is holding value and it was a good bit cheaper than a Model S new. You'd need to work out the fuel savings between the two but there might not be a lot in it. Diesel could have been the better long term choice.

I've a phev and starting to get cold feet as with my milage I'm about 12mts away from using up my warranty. Friends in the trade are telling me some garages refusing to take an EV trade in, I think my phev will be fine but I'd rather change now than before it hits 100k.

Really hard to know what to change to, if it was a full EV again, new model 3 is probably the only one I'd consider after seeing how well some of my friends got on with them and big milage.

It's definitely a confusing landscape for anyone thinking of changing right now. I'd feel safer going something rare in a petrol or diesel. Bik is playing into it as well though.