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"average Dublin house prices should fall to ‘the €300,000 mark" according to Many Lou McD.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 805 ✭✭✭Relax brah


    She should be working in spar deli.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Do SF have complete control over financial matters in NI or not?

    Also, I am not a SF supporter, but this ridiculous fear from their opponents who want the status quo to remain the same while out housing and health system is destroyed is definitely pushing me and others towards SF. Keep it up, you're doing a great job.



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    I have no political affiliation, I don’t think the Governments for the past 12 years overall have done badly. They navigated very difficult waters and our economy has recovered very impressively, to the point that even though we have gone through a pandemic, there is near full employment, high paying jobs and a population which hasn’t been as high since the famine. It’s true housing has not kept pace, but we are not the only country suffering from high prices and demand. Whether you like it or not, a whole lot of people are happy with their lot and are afraid that letting a bunch of loons govern. It isn’t fear of the status quo being upset, it’s the fear that SF could make matters worse, so far they have provided little detail on how they are going to solve problems, That should concern anyone who is planning to vote for them, and will certainly concern anyone who thinks SF are grifters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    It's a list of excuses, the GFA was in 1998, we are now in 2024 and all SF and supporters do is make excuses for Northern Ireland.

    I don't fear Sinn Fein, I read their policies and they are a disaster. Also if you listen to their interviews after the bluff they are a disaster. Like the Health representative saying he was going to hire hundreds of new doctors, rightly the presentor asked him how would he attract all these new doctors when Sinn Fein are running based on "tax the rich" which would mean Doctors would be hit. His answer: "I don't know about that"

    That's Sinn Fein. No fear of them, they are just incompetent.

    Also, the health system is destroyed, yet during covid people from Northern Ireland flooded over the border into the Republic.

    So maybe instead of talking about fear you could actually provide some example of Sinn Fein, how they are going to help Ireland? what in their policies prove this? how is it joined up etc?

    I also noticed instead of discussing their record in DCC you go on about "fear". This is typical Sinn Fein supporters online who don't want to discuss the track record of Sinn Fein because they know it is appauling and instead want to waffle on about fear or start pointing fingers. You claim to not support Sinn Fein yet you seem to post very very similar to their online supporters playbook



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    There's literally no point discussing anything with you when you constantly refer to me as a SF supporter, when I am not.

    If you can't accept this most very basic point, why should I bother engaging anymore?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    What the basic point? all you have said so far is people "fear" them.

    I asked you to tell me about their policies, are you going to do that or talk about fear?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,438 ✭✭✭Flaneur OBrien


    Erm. My basic point is that I am not a SF supporter. You can't seem to grasp that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Ok so you are not a Sinn Fein supporter, want to talk about their policies?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,964 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    i appreciate the concerns explained, but the reality is, life actually isnt going well for many people here, this is primarily amongst younger generations, and theyve had enough, and you cant blame them either. this is actually a major problem for all of us, even those of us that have benefitted greatly from our monumental successes over the last few decades, for example, as we all now, we all require more access to our health system as we age, these services are generally provided by younger generations, but if those folks are unable to provide themselves with their own needs, the most obvious being housing, they simply wont be able to provide us with our needs, in particular our health needs....

    this is where we all truly are in it together, if we dont resolve this quickly, we ll all end up in trouble, and very quickly so, these issues are now starting to seriously effect us economically, even though in many metrics, this isnt showing yet, but if we continue, particularly into the next decade with these issues, they ll more than likely will start showing, these issues will more than likely show in rapidly rising instabilities both socially and economically, that means it effects everyone negatively, including older, retired generations, as explained.....

    ....this is where the rise of the alternatives comes in, many of these younger generations realise, older, more established political entities and parties, their beliefs, ideas, theories etc etc, are now toast, as its clearly obvious, what worked for previous generations, simply wont work for them, so theyve decided the best thing to do is vote for these alternative....

    in an irish context, this is clearly ffg, their era of dominance is now coming to an end, whether we like it or not, its over, they clearly wont disappear, but they wont experience this dominance again, not for some time anyway

    yes the alternatives are a step into the unknown, they will be problematic, there will be failures, but their voters simply dont care at this stage, as the establishment has completely failed them, and they know it....

    we now have to accept this, accept we ve failed them, and do whatever we can to help them, or we re all screwed...

    ....suck it up folks, this era is coming to an end, real change is now happening, and it probably wont be the end of the world either, it ll probably be just fine..

    ...oh and if you think sf are bad, wait till you see when we finally get an anti party, now that ll be real nasty stuff!



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Any property owner, particularly those young, first time buyers who have bought over the last five years or so, will not want property prices to fall off a cliff. Don’t kid yourself that the majority of the population will vote for higher taxes and lower value of their main asset.

    The health system in any country is like a gigantic ship, slow to turn, difficult to get a handle on. The Dept of health is as difficult a ministerial position as you can get in many countries. So far I have not heard anything from SF about how they are going to make our HS better.

    If there was an election tomorrow, what is your current understanding of how SF would improve housing and our HS. Lay out why you think they will be able to solve both, or are you in the “anything is better than what we have” camp, and clueless about how SF will actually achieve the improvements voters think the will.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Honestly this is a ridiculous position to take.

    If you want to make the housing crisis worse then vote in a party who have no idea how to fix it because they will just be a different name.

    In reality you should vote in the party with the best plan to resolve the housing crisis and the other issues we have in Ireland. At the moment that party is not Sinn Fein.

    No ramble about young people etc is not going to change that.

    Maybe the FF/FG era will end, I couldn't care less. But I do hope the people who come into power have a better plan than they are a different face.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Oh do tell us, which party in your opinion has the best policy on housing?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    If you think what FFG have done is "destroy" things you are in for a shock if SF get into power.

    Incompetence destroys, take a look at what Liz Truss did in the UK in a couple of days and then take a look at SF "budgets".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,474 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    Perhaps you can review the thread title and then reread your post?

    This thread is specifically about SF and their "300K a house" fairytale.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    What mess?

    2023 saw the highest number ever of first-time buyers get a house.

    Trolley numbers are down.

    Things are slowly improving in Ireland from a high level already.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Very little I would say. More first time buyers than ever before is good news.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,964 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...especially those that can get access to more money, so that prices can keep rising......

    .....this approach should be absolutely fine, shouldnt cause any sort of issues in the long run!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    So you think young people buying houses for the first time is a bad thing?

    Seriously?



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    A % of the increase may be due to the Help to Buy scheme.

    A greater % would be due to the ever increasing regulations and requirements for new builds. Compare the quality finish of a new build from 2023 versus a 1950s built house for example.

    Another % would be due to the vast wealth floating around this country, and developers knowing they can charge a higher price for a Limited supply of their product due to the great demand and also money that is in the market.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Based on any credible figures for housing requirements we've fallen somewhere around 100k houses further behind where we need to be on housing in the four years of this FFG government.

    Also miles off on the labour intensive retrofits which will be required especially now that we've signed up to ban fossil fuel heating systems by 2040.

    Rents are far higher than they've ever been.

    Plenty of anecdotal evidence of construction workers leaving because of said rents and house prices, and young people being put off construction jobs.

    We're in a terrible state regarding housing, and due to the last four years of inactivity, it's now far harder to fix than it was before.

    And that's before we even get to shortages in other areas relating to housing and the rise of the far-right, which again seems to be fueled by concerns over housing and essential services.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,851 ✭✭✭✭blanch152




  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Did anything happen during the term of this government that might have disrupted construction?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    Your question doesn't deserve an answer, it's a blatant strawman, nobody here is arguing against young people buying houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I take it you're referring to Covid, which had some impact, but it didn't stop anywhere near 100k houses being built.

    We can go back to the previous FFG government if you like and talk about their failure on housing too?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,409 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Stopping the construction industry was a woeful misstep in their pandemic handling (though a SF style zero-cases response may have been more damaging).



  • Posts: 14,708 [Deleted User]


    Don’t be silly.

    It had an enormous effect on construction from closed sites, shortage of materials, increases in costs, loss of construction workers to other industries, disruption in trades training programmes, loss of foreign workers who went home and didn’t return during/after Covid etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    It's an overused excuse, while there was an impact it didn't come anywhere close to 100k houses.

    There were drastic housing shortage prior to Covid too and look at the figures back then.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,964 ✭✭✭✭Wanderer78


    ...shortages were noted at the height of the previous crash, particularly in the dublin region, so.....



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,254 ✭✭✭MegamanBoo


    I'm not sure about it not winning votes.

    I think the idea of 'negative equity' is a bit of a bogeyman argument that a lot of people don't take much notice of.

    From speaking with people who were in that situation after the last crash, most seem to see it as not a real concern as they had saw their house as a family home as opposed to an asset.

    As someone who has bought in the last year, I know there was a risk that I was buying at a high point in the market.

    I'm more personally concerned now with construction costs as I (like an awful lot of other people) will be forced to complete a deep retrofit in the next 10-15 years.

    I have wider concerns then about the prices of homes falling. I'd like to see other members of my family and eventually my children be able to buy. I also don't really want to live in a country where only the very wealthy can own a home.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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