Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

AKA open borders?

Time that valve was closed. They can come here if they want, we can and should, say no.

Whoever said emigrates were disloyal are absolute idiots.

On what's happening now, yes, it is treasonous.

Definition:

The betrayal of allegiance toward one's own country, especially by committing hostile acts against it or aiding its enemies in committing such acts.

This is exactly what our current government are doing.

For those emigrating it was NO OPTION.

Not that you care.

Ask any person who emigrated in the last 12 months from Ireland why they left and I doubt a single one would reply 'because of immigrants' (the actual anti-immigration crowd don't seem too fond of the idea of leaving the country....those complaining most vociferously about immigration are still here).

I agree. They left because they left a country which did nothing for them and has nothing for them. Then they looked over their shoulders at the departure gates at the huge sums of our money/accommodation offered to foreigners and they thought. . . "Hang on!".

The fact is that the Irish are not relevant to the likes of Varadkar/Martin because there's nothing to be gained by serving them.

No I didn't say Interpol is only EU...

Cluedo this usually ends with you throwing a tantrum and running away

Of all the people I know, including family and friends, I can think of only one who didn't really want to emigrate. During the recession, she and her husband had been working in construction when it went belly up. They were forced to emigrate.

Every other person I have seen emigrate in the last 40 years, went very happily, they wanted to go, for all sorts of reasons, none of them forced.

it's an old lament I think in Ireland, crying about the sons and daughters forced to leave the country. It's a fallacy for the last 30+ years.

Human rights are universal

With respect, please check up any court cases in fundamental rights in this country. You will note that the courts have ruled they apply to everyone living in the state.

Certain rights with regard to holding office or voting are for citizens only. The courts have made the distinction between fundamental personal rights, human rights and those.

I won't bother listing the numerous cases, you can check them for yourself, but here is the information in simple form for all.

Articles 40 to 44 set out these fundamental rights. Many of the rights apply to everyone living in Ireland, including non-Irish citizens.

Ah will you stop.

You replied to StudentDad with this...

"We, in this country fought hard for centuries for our rights, now yourself and your pro immigration cohorts would love to just throw all that away, it's treasonous."

No mention of government or enemies. Not sure who the cohorts are - probably that rascal Suvigirl. So your post actually suggested StudentDad is treasonous. Please, can we have a little honour with our posting.

Now let's put StudentDad on trial here. I will revert to the Miriam Webster dictionary.

Treason: the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance

@StudentDad Sorry buddy, on reviewing the evidence it is clear you are trying to overthrow the government. Guilty as charged. Sentencing to follow.

The level of this thread...and I detest this government!

I am not sure what's going on but I have heard it many times and right up until recently that retailers are struggling to recruit young staff. I got the sense that many young Irish adults do not want to work in retail. Again, I don't know why.

What happens to all of these people in the event of another economic downturn?

We barely kept things together post 2009.

Whatever about the rhetoric about how hard we struggled for our freedom etc or how we should be taking in everyone and anyone for any reason because we're doing OK right now, we need to be practical and deal with this issue in a manner within our means.

Ultimately Ireland relies heavily on the goodwill of others, mostly corporations choosing to do business here for our relative success. We still have serious issues like housing that are nowhere close to being solved with growing numbers of people unable to house themselves and in parralel politicians in opposition claiming to have easy answers to that issue which when examined would be like to bankrupt the country and leave us even worse off.

In essence, Ireland isn't as financially stable as the past few years might suggest, within living memory we have an enormous financial crisis that we only just scrapped our way out of so being prudent about allowing anyone and everyone into the country without a clear plan on how to deal with them is not unreasonable or based in prejudice.

At the back of it all they couldn't give a **** about the same people. It's like a trend.

Yes,

Leaving aside the emotional rhetoric and petty point scoring, there is a practical aspect to this situation.

If there is a major downturn-very possible given the current global dynamics, and tax revenue takes a dive, how will we manage? Housing and healthcare are already in a mess. A relocation of one or more of the big MNCs would leave us badly exposed. The sort term outlook for tourism and livestock exports is also worrying. Quite apart from the social aspects of current immigration levels, the economic effects may emerge as the major negative.

Not at all different. Our fundamental human rights apply to all.