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Iran going nuclear or already there ?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Israel will be along shortly to fix it .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,019 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    and iran will just rebuild it more.

    iran will be a nuclear state, whatever israel does.

    and as much as i have contempt for it's regime, it's no worse then any of the other nuclear states and will be a way to keep israel in check which is needed.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    Iran has more moral authority than the United States, Russia, China, France, Israel, India & Pakistan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Bombs are cheaper,

    Iran is a Terrorist State let them have nuclear weapons and you will see nothing but death ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,274 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    Well said those self righteous nuclear states of the West should have a long hard look at themselves before judging other countries.



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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 34,123 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    It's significantly worse than most of the other Nuclear States.

    The US has deep problems but it's still better than Iran and to be trusted far more with such power. Frankly same is true of China. Etc etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,019 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    so is israel and NK.

    russia and the US and UK have been involved in terrorism both directly and by proxy and by funding.

    none of them have used nuclear weapons, iran will be no different.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,019 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    the regime of iran are certainly dregs, but i would disagree that china could be trusted more then them in terms of both power and nuclear weapons.

    china is an aweful regime as well and i wouldn't trust them as far as i could throw them.

    i don't believe however that both of them would use nuclear weapons.

    threaten them perhapse, possibly definitely actually.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Iran is a Terrorist state, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Israel, Yemen have all suffered from their Version of the revolution ,

    How long before they supply a Terrorist organisation with a nuclear weapon then what,

    What's the plan then....

    Keeping the Israelis in check , Israel isn't trying to take over the middle east,they just want their own security



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,454 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    We need a nuclear armed Islamic state to keep Israel, a western democratic state, in check! I suppose having Putin menacing the east will keep the EU honest.

    🙈🙉🙊



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,019 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    israel is trying to take over as much territory as it can absolutely.

    whether it is the whole middle east or not who knows but the only way to guarantee their security is to get back within their borders as set out in 1948.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,019 ✭✭✭✭end of the road



    israel is neither western, democratic, or a western democratic state.

    it gives a feeling of being both western and democratic but in reality it's just the same as it's neighbours.

    it's also a terrorist, genocidal state.

    ultimately as much as i believe nuclear weapons are a technology of a bygone era, not only is it the case that if some states can have them then so should iran, but iran, never actually going to use them, will provide some counterbalance to israel which is needed to keep israel in check.

    the EU is generally mostly honest and doesn't need a counterbalance, and even if it did, russia would be the last country who could provide it.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,709 ✭✭✭TinyMuffin


    Iran was pissed at hamas for what they done as it resulted in the us freezing the 6 billion it had unfrozen in the prisoner swap.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 14,192 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Shame there isn't some sort of nuclear deal to keep them happy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Ah yea nuclear armed Islamic fundamentalists armed with nuclear weapons, sure what can possibly go wrong 😑



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,706 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 702 ✭✭✭Housefree


    Can't be any worse than the apartheid state of Israel and the genocide cheering US who are the only country crazy enough to have actually used nukes against a civilian population.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,706 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Quite something to paint Japan as a victim of the Pacific war. A war they started and some estimates say Japan killed as many as 30 million civilians.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,668 ✭✭✭brickster69


    Given the rhetoric coming from certain politicians and leaders i would guess it is highly probable they have made a nuke by now. Israel has not tested or declared they have them so no need for Iran to.


    Niccolò Machiavelli :

    "To ally with great powers to defeat your neighbour is a strategic trap; if you win, you become the slave of the greater power; if the allied power is defeated, you remain alone and defenceless against the angry neighbour, and you are destroyed." - Niccolò Machiavelli



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,644 ✭✭✭mulbot


    Have a look at Satanyahoo addressing the UN a while ago, holding up a map of the new Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    The US has supplied arms to terrorists around the world for decades but haven't handed out nukes so far, no reason to think Iran will.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,706 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Usually terrorists aren't able to maintain or use complex weapons, as they don't have the resources or infrastructure.

    But that was the past. It's a new era now. With countries giving out low tech drones like smarties, terrorists are using them, and now have a simple delivery system for all sorts of payloads.

    These countries have no issues with using all sorts of weapons on each other and have done so. For example Iran-Iraq war.

    Much of the unrest in the region is from these countries fighting a proxy war against Israel using such groups. You'd be naive to think they won't let it escalate. Even in this war they took advantage and tried to escalate the conflict on other borders and continue to do so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭L.Ball


    Much of the unrest in the region is from these countries fighting a proxy war against Israel using such groups.

    What possessed you to type that? Libya, Syria, Lebanon, Yemen & Iraq are all still active conflict zones with nothing to do with Israel.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,706 ✭✭✭✭Flinty997


    Unrest involving Israel.

    Though its true to say that they try to destabilise each other using the same methods.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 10,072 ✭✭✭✭SeanW


    Weird thing is that Iran is a material ally of Russia, selling the latter weapons for use against civilians in Ukraine. How anyone thinks the mullahs of Iran are anything other than pure evil terrorist scum is beyond me.

    Iran are not only allies with Russia, but also of China, Venezuela, North Korea etc.

    https://u24.gov.ua/
    Join NAFO today:

    Help us in helping Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,972 ✭✭✭Working class heroes


    Racism is now hiding behind the cloak of Community activism.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,934 ✭✭✭✭Victor




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,367 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    There's long been a reasonably credible theory that Israel tested their bomb with South African assistance in 1979. Apartheid states sticking together. The Vela incident and the circumstances surrounding it are very interesting.

    Current thinking is that Israel has about 300 warheads (estimates vary from 80-400). Which puts it in a par with France or UK. It's also very likely that Israel operates a nuclear triad, with missiles in the Negev, some air launched available to the Air Force and tube launched Cruise missiles in the Med in their subs.

    Iran is widely believed to have enough fissile material on hand for 3 warheads in the immediate term and has production capacity for more.

    The continuing Israeli action and aggression in the ME could well be part of a strategy to force an Iranian reaction. If Iran trips that line? Israel and indeed the US will both strike IMO. It gives the US an immediate excuse to deal with and blunt Iran in the medium term. Allowing it more time and resources to focus on China. It gives Nethanyahu a war that will keep his government in place longer and keep the awkward questions about Egyptian warnings & IDF intel pre 7/10 at bay a while longer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    I don’t know what’s more disturbing about some posts in this thread

    that some people in this country hunger for end of days Armageddon style genocide of Israel (which includes Arabs and Jews as citizens) or that there are those who think Islamic fundametalists who want a revolution where they become top dogs and everyone else slaves as something worthy of cheering for



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