Iran going nuclear or already there ?

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551251#Comment_121551251

Maybe what the world needs is another NATO kind of thing. You could have non NATO powers offering protection to smaller countries if they pay in 2% of GDP and if anyone attacks them then they step in.

No one would be daft enough to mess with Russia, China, North Korea, Iran, India and Pakistan behind them would they ? Then they could open loads of bases around the world and deploy nukes to Mexico, Venezuela and Cuba and places like that to provide security to them.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121548898#Comment_121548898

they are still their borders.

their stealing of territory has done diddly squat also, in fact it has made things worse for them.

they are only where they are because of america, if not for america their backside would long have been put back within their borders.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551113#Comment_121551113

Well Gaza started that war so they don't have much to complain about. As for Ukraine, it's not just that stupid numbers of children have been murdered by Iran's ally Russia, but many thousands more have been stolen and sent into Russia for "Russification."

But like I said, I'm sure it is of great comfort to Ukrainians that Iran has only had a peripheral role in their suffering.

tayto lover

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551563#Comment_121551563

They didn't start it. It was the most serious escalation of a conflict started by Israel which has been ongoing probably since 1948.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121549798#Comment_121549798

you are quite correct and how the hell i forgot that i don't know.

but anyway the others haven't used them and the US haven't used them in over 70 years.

andy125

Ah yes lets rejoice at another nation having world ending weapons...

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121550959#Comment_121550959

no worse then most of those states on the topic of nuclear weapons, which is what the thread is about.

in terms of human rights of course iran is a hell hole mind you israel isn't much better if you are of the wrong type.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551543#Comment_121551543

No they didn't, thought one of our experts claim they were water tank's 🤣🤣🤣🤣,

But back to Israel been able to target Iran with relative ease

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551559#Comment_121551559

Sounds like the plot of really bad 80s video game.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551604#Comment_121551604

How did Israel start it?

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551559#Comment_121551559

Russia who's currently getting anilated for the last 2 years in ukraine by a army that barely existed 18 months ago, Pakistan who were almost over run by the Taliban who they trained and equipped,and India who fight with sticks.... North Korea only exists because china want them as a buffer zone between them and US forces, that leaves us with Cuba and Venezuela,

I'm sure the world will be quaking at that idea

brickster69

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551727#Comment_121551727

More like a game of chess with just 2 kings on the board. Impossible to win so pointless playing.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551561#Comment_121551561

America embargoed all sides in 1948 including Israel. Israel basically sourced and smuggled weapons from all over to survive that war. They also rapidly produced lots of their own weapons and ammunition. They literally started with nothing and no help from anyone.

The idea that Israel is helpless on its own really doesn't hold up.

If anything it's probably the lack of support and constant attacks that has created it's siege mindset.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551813#Comment_121551813

So many times this has proven not to be the case with the countries you've mentioned.

Even your idea of NATO and non NATO countries funding it. Is ludicrous. Before Russia attacked Ukraine NATO had huge problems getting even its existing members to commit GDP. Never mind those not in it. It was a shadow of itself. .

Russia has managed to transform NATO to a strength and cohesion it's not had for many decades. Hamas has now spread its conflict into Indian waters. Be interesting how that develops.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551736#Comment_121551736

stealing land and expanding it's borders cause god said they are entitled something something.

had it stayed within it's borders there wouldn't have been a problem, but it got greedy.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551860#Comment_121551860

lack of support? it had huge support, it controlled the narative for decades surrounding it's behaviour by lieing and screaching antisemite at anyone and everyone who called them out on their behaviour and criticism died quite quickly in terms of the political land scape.

the weapons they made themselves were generally crap, it was american military aid that has made them a well equiped force.

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551860#Comment_121551860

They also have a bad habit of taking the best of what America has and Improves them, helicopters, aircraft, bombs, Along with the notion of surgical precision when it comes to removing enemy's

Gatling

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552081#Comment_121552081

What weapons has Israel made that were crap exactly???

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552068#Comment_121552068

Why? Two questions. After it's attacked, how much land has it lost? How much land has it grabbed and lost?

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552081#Comment_121552081

They exported over $12 Billion in Arms sales in 2022. Its one of the top 10 countries in terms of arms sales.

Anyway none of what you're posting has anything to do with the topic.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552068#Comment_121552068

"Stealing land" by being attacked by its neighbours and roundly defeating them? That sort of stealing?

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552091#Comment_121552091

well gaza among others prove that their surgical striking abilities are crap.

as for improving on weaponry america has made, not really.

what they have done is express some input in to the varients of american weaponry they have received which have some slight differences to the american used equipment.

Flinty997

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552316#Comment_121552316

In fairness that a lot of it. But its not the only land grabbing they do.

volchitsa

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552343#Comment_121552343

I agree, but that's a relatively recent (and problematic) development that has only gained credence in Israel as a result of the refusal of their Arab neighbours to agree to Israel's basic right to exist even within the 1948 borders.

Israel evacuated the Jewish settlements in Gaza - by force when necessary - so they've shown that they are prepared to give up those lands in exchange for safety. The problem is that that didn't give them safety either, and that strengthened the position of the extremists within Israeli society who wanted more.

And now Oct 7th has shown that leaving Gaza to Hamas may have been a disastrous miscalculation by the pragmatists in Israel, "proving" the extremists right once and for all.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552068#Comment_121552068

Methinks you need to read a history book. The founders of Israel were perfectly happy with the '47 borders. It was everyone else in the region that didn't like them. So the borders had to be revised considering that Israel would be attacked continuously since then.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552316#Comment_121552316

it was only attacked by it's neighbours because they got wind it was going to attack them, they were simply defending themselves from attack by an expansionist israel.

those nations were only defeated because israel blackmailed america into providing support to them and america threw a huge amount of military aid at them, whereas if it had stayed out of it then israel would still be within it's borders.

it stole a lot of land and some of that they had to give back under the orders of america as part of trying to normalise relations with their neighbours.

SeanW

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552388#Comment_121552388

No, the other countries wanted to wipe Israel out. They didn't care about the '48 or '67 borders, they wanted Israel gone. Full stop. The same is true today of Iran and their proxies.

Israel will never exist within the '47 borders, because a state along those lines is totally indefensible. It will either keep some territory it took post-'47 or it will be annihilated by the likes of Hamas/Hezbollah.

end of the road

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121552412#Comment_121552412

they didn't want israel gone or to wipe them off the map, they just wanted them to stay within their borders which is reasonable.

a state along the lines of the only legitimate borders of israel, as in those set out in 1947, is perfectly defencible and a state along such lines will exist in those borders as support for israel is slowly being eroded, and israel as part of a long term solution will be forced back within them.

israel is just greedy and wants as much territory as it can get because of religious fundamentalism.

just like iran will be a nuclear state with the only way of preventing that being the US does a deal with them.

Hotblack Desiato

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121551046#Comment_121551046

Absolute and utter rubbish.

They have inflicted immense suffering on their own people, which surely reflects very badly on any government.

They also sponsor terrorists in all of their neighbouring countries.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121548527#Comment_121548527

Try living there sometime....I have more moral authority in my little finger than either the Ayatollah or his Mullah's have between them,