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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    To be a "game changer " in attack ,the f16s would need to be used in mass, to the edge of their capabilities,, and accepting large losses - Ukraine has 18 planes and newly converted pilots - they cant take losses,

    They can however be successful in defence, they can keep russian jets 50 to 100km back from the front line,limiting Ru ability to use glide bombs, or to be top cover for helicopters attacks,

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    +250million dollars from US on sky news there



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    Imagine the F16s will be used for defence against drones and cruise missiles. For the initial operating period. Free up SAM systems in certain points.

    As regards that Russian Howitzer, will probably be produced and fielded in the low double digits. Of course it might be ineffective if it is loaded with off spec North Korean ammunition or fired beyond its barrel life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    There is an interesting gem buried in article that Japanese are producing 155mm shells for UK who forward it to Ukraine, good luck to Russia competing with much larger Japanese industrial might.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    There's been previously GPS issues over the last two years, could be related



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Yeah, those yokes are just infantry support vehicles similar to the Bradley or other IFVs but the emphasis is on firepower rather than transporting and protecting troops , twin 30 mm cannons and missiles should be a pretty effective system,but like everything else in the Russian military industry over the last few years they take a concept and rather than spending the time developing platforms they jump straight to limited production runs ,they used a few of them in Syria before Ukraine,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭thomil


    That FrankenSAM thing has got me thinking. We know that the Ukrainians have managed to integrate both the AGM-88 HARM anti radar missile and the Storm Shadow cruise missile into their existing Su-24 fleet, albeit with limited functionality on the AGM-88. And the FrankenSAM project seems to basically be a Soviet era Kub launcher equipped with either RIM-7 "Sparrow" missiles or the ground launched version of the AIM-120 AMRAAM, so we know that they're able to make soviet era sensors "talk" to western weapons systems, at least to a certain degree. Could it be possible that Ukraine has found a way to integrate the AIM-120 into its existing MiG-29 or Su-27 force? Could that be a possible explanation for the recent shootdowns of advanced Russian aircraft?

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,761 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Sounds plausible to me. The Ukrainians are ideally placed to integrate ex soviet systems with modern NATO standard equipment and I'd be very surprised to see them make public all of the ways they have been doing this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,460 ✭✭✭zv2


    It looks like history is starting up again.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Isn't the most plausible explanation the planes were shot down with the additional Patriot supplied by Germany. It's pretty much the same effect as the 5 planes/helicopters shot down over Bryansk in Russia back in May. It's been confirmed by Ukraine that it was a patriot system.

    Ukraine would also have to upgrade their MIG/SU radars to increase the range to match the AIM-120. Unless they fired them in the general direction as fox3's, so without a radar lock and let the AIM-120 use it's own radar to search for a target. It's risky, but not like any Ukrainian planes would be in the air in front of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    It gets better the Indians are having a very hard time paying Russians for oil and that’s before Yemenis starting firing on India bound ships

    https://x.com/insightnewsme/status/1739993853422108865?s=20



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭thomil


    Depends on where the shootdown occurred. I don't remember reading anything about that, so that's a genuine question on my part.

    Generally, Patriot is a very powerful system, but while it is vehicle-mounted, it isn't exactly mobile in the same way that for example a PzH-2000 or HIMARS would be mobile. It takes a bit of time to set it up and connect up the launchers & radar to the command post. Plus, it's a high-value system, so you wouldn't place it too close to the front. Now, if the shootdowns occurred over Ukrainian-held territory then sure, it could easily have been a Patriot, NASAMS or an IRIS-T system, but if they happened, lets say over the Black Sea or well into Russian-held Donbas, that could indicate an airborne system of some sort.

    EDIT: It could also be that the Ukrainian Air Force has simply become a little less risk-averse, now that there's the promise of at least a certain level of reinforcements in the shape of the F-16 on the horizon.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Yeah I can't find any details or geolocation of the shootdowns, I'm just guessing it's well behind the Frontline and outside of a safe engagement for Ukrainian's Migs.

    The US did commend the Ukrainian's on being able to setup a patriot system in half the time the US can do it. 45 down to 25 mins, so it's not like it's a full day's work.

    The patriot radar is also about 150km, so it can be placed well behind the Frontline protecting Odessa and still detecting far in Kherson. Or just have a launcher close and use the mobile radar they got from Germany to detect the targets, send them to the patriot system to launch from the launcher closer to the front line etc.... that's the main benefit from the NATO systems, they can all be connected and work together.

    I'm sure in time we'll learn how they pulled it off, just like the Bryansk triangle in May.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭thomil


    True, and that's not accounting for any information they might be getting from NATO assets airborne over the Black Sea or along the borders. The flow of information must be staggering at this point, I'd hazard to say that 95-99% of what's happening in that regard is going completely under the public radar.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name






  • Those in power want to stay in power, nothing new. Only Putin has got away with in the past so will do it again. Look at US, trying to kick Trump out of the presidencial race. US same crap, only dragging it out longer in the courts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,615 ✭✭✭swampgas


    Take the Trump nonsense to the other thread - if anything, Trump is a wannabe Putin, not some democratic hero.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Another mass Russian terror attack against civilians

    “ In total, 114 out of 158 air targets were destroyed. 87 missiles of various types and 27 Shahed drones.

    Detailed numbers:

    90 Kh-101/Kh-555/Kh-55

    8 Kh-22/Kh-32

    5 Kh-47M Kinzhal

    5 K-31P/Kh-49

    Almost all Kh-101/Kh-555/Kh-55 were shot down. Out of 36 Shahed drones, 27 were shot down.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭thomil


    F**k, that's a sizeable attack. Wild mixture of ballistic missiles, cruise missiles and drones too, which makes the job for air defense units that much harder. Fair play to Ukraine for taking out as many incoming missiles & targets as they did!

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I dont quite get it , is india short of dollars or euros ?- they export a lot of refined (russian) oil to europe, so if they paid in dollars russia would have no prob spending them ,

    Or is it the lack of ability to access the banking needed to transfer the dollars

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    Article mentions that Indian companies are forbidden by their government in using yuan

    and having hard time opening UAE bank accounts due to sanctions to use Dirham which is pegged to dollar

    Russians can’t use euros and dollars due to sanctions and threat of more funds being frozen because well Russia is a criminal state that’s more sanctioned than North Korea by now, speaking of which by importing shells from North Korea Russia is now skirting UN sanctions which we will hear about more in coming months

    Its only gonna get worse for Russia from here and will mean banks would be afraid to deal with anyone remotely related to Russia and yes that includes middlemen in Middle East and ex Soviet states being used currently as loopholes

    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-takes-aim-financial-institutions-with-new-russia-sanctions-authority-2023-12-22/

    This is from a week ago ^^^

    ” The measures clarify that the U.S. can target financial institutions involved in transactions on behalf of those hit with U.S. sanctions or tied to Russia's military industrial base, including the sale of certain critical items.

    The order is being issued in coordination with allies, said senior administration officials, speaking on condition of anonymity.

    The United States has repeatedly warned companies against skirting U.S. sanctions imposed on Russia, and has targeted firms in the United Arab Emirates, Turkey and China that it has accused of helping Moscow avoid the measures. “



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,062 ✭✭✭Markcheese


    I know a lot of nato equipment is capable of data linking , so if the data-links to a lap-top on board say a su-27 , and the missile is linked to the missile , it could be fired using information from a ground based nato standard radar system ,

    Effectively with the right software,the lap-top would be spoofing that its a Nato jet , and the ground based radar and anti-aircraft missile would act as if it were ..

    Slava ukraini 🇺🇦



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,574 ✭✭✭rogber


    Disgusting terror attack from the Russians, at least 13 confirmed killed. Putin and Netenjahu competing hard for state terrorist of the year award, still 2 days left to stake their claim.

    Pair of vicious heartless ba*tards and their (mostly) silent populations are a disgrace too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 185 ✭✭drop table Users


    It seems one of these Russian missiles entered Poland, story developing



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,409 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Well that answered my question. Russia had been stockpiling for this. Hopefully no critical infrastructure was hit.

    And hopefully they haven't made enough new missiles for too many attacks on this level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭✭thomil


    I hope this was a once off as well, but from what I'm seeing on X, Russia was pretty smart this time, waiting until some SAM sites opened fire at the cruise missiles only to then target the SAM sites themselves with Kinzhals or Iskanders. One IRIS-T battery had a narrow escape when an Iskander missed it by like 70 meters. Can't post the link, as I'm on my work computer at the moment.

    Good luck trying to figure me out. I haven't managed that myself yet!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,134 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Nothing will come of it, will be buried like the last time because the EU and NATO are afraid of Putin.



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