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Sinn Fein and how do they form a government dilemma

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  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A person who doesn't know that milk and other foodstuffs are zero rated for VAT is completely incapable of running the Department of Finance.

    He has no finance qualifications. If he applied to be CFO at any company in Ireland his CV wouldn't make it past the first stage of a hiring process.

    https://www.finegael.ie/sinn-feins-vat-on-milk-cartons-leaves-a-sour-taste-lombard/



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Who has told you to go away. Paranoid much?

    It's just not clear what it is you wish to talk about here.

    You think it doesn't matter who is in government because of constraints and control. Why are you at all concerned about who gets in so?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And the authors of our constant boom and bust cycles, institutions and services of the state in record breaking crisis and not to mention 2008 are all honours students no doubt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭Rosahane


    Are you recycling the shinner excuse for their incompetence when in the power sharing Gov in NI?

    That was their excuse😏



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    They weren't in a 'powersharing government' in NI.

    They were in a powersharing Executive which administers some government services with overall government coming from Westminster.

    BTW Nobody has claimed SF don't make mistakes, not sure why you have invented that position for me.

    We have had a power share here since Independence that has made many many mistakes as well as doing good stuff. Don't expect that to change whosoever gets in.



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  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Well Paschal Donohue is held in very high esteem internationally, to the point where he is being tipped to lead the International Monetary Fund and also was re-elected as President of the Eurogroup despite not being in a Finance Minister role.

    I don't foresee Pearse being held in the same regard.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Which has what to do with the history of this country? You handwaving stuff away again?


    And the authors of our constant boom and bust cycles, institutions and services of the state in record breaking crisis and not to mention 2008 are all honours students no doubt.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I was just pointing out that our last Minister for Finance was probably one of the best this country has ever had. Our current one is a Chartered Accountant, a qualification that males him suitable for the job.

    Look at Pearse's qualifications and tell me you'd actually be comfortable with him running the Department of Finance? Our economy is in fantastic shape right now, having been managed by Donohue and McGrath over the past number of years. I'm genuinely fearful as to what will become of it with Mr. Doherty at the helm. As I said, the man doesn't even know about VAT on food.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Would you deal with the point made please, what 'qualifications' were required for this:

    And the authors of our constant boom and bust cycles, institutions and services of the state in record breaking crisis and not to mention 2008 are all honours students no doubt.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Brian Cowen a qualified solicitor and Brian Lenihan a qualified barrister it appears.

    Michael Noonan was a teacher it seems.

    Charlie McCreevy was also a chartered accountant.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    And...

    And the authors of our constant boom and bust cycles, institutions and services of the state in record breaking crisis and not to mention 2008 are all honours students no doubt.



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    And they oversaw the creation of an economic boom, a good achievement. Also they weren't all in charge of "institutions of the state in record breaking crisis".

    They did understand the basic concept of VAT on milk though.

    Would you hire somebody with Pearse Doherty's qualifications as the CFO of a business? I wouldn't even hire him for a graduate role in accounts payable with his CV.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Yeh, they did some good stuff.

    Do you accept all these qualified people made mistakes including some massive ones that had massive punitive effects on the electorate and that they are overseeing record breaking crisis in a multitude of areas?



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I do accept that mistakes were made.

    However I do not agree with the overseeing record breaking crises, health and homelessness are arguably the 2 greatest issues facing Ireland today, and are crises in many countries around the world. These are not unique issues to Ireland.

    You keep ignoring my questions. Do you think Pearse Doherty is suitably qualified to be the Minister of Finance, or would you hire him in a top Finance role at a company if you received his CV?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Oh, another one who thinks it doesn't matter who is in charge, it's immaterial because of outside events. OK.

    There is no 'qualification' required to be Minister for any department.

    A Financial Controller in a company is a different job. How many companies has Paschal run?



  • Posts: 3,330 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    You are one pedantic individual.

    I shall be pedantic in return, a financial controller does not run a company. That would be the managing director or CEO.

    Anyway good night and merry Christmas to you. I may revisit this when Pearse has been Finance Minister for 6 months and proven to be grossly under qualified, lacking in knowledge, lacking in experience of anything to do with finance, and his bluff called.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So how many companies has Paschal been FD of?

    It's you that introduced it as a marker...don't be telling me I am pedantic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,088 ✭✭✭Clo-Clo


    Pearse was responsible for an alternative budget. Which he released with mistakes in it

    The entire party made a huge push on the "tax the rich" line and everyone was told it owuld be people over 140k. Then a few months later it was still "tax the rich" banner but suddenly it was 100k. That a 28%, huge error. Another Pearse clanger.

    Pearse also introduced the insurance bill, want to push it into law. This bill would have meant nobody could get a discount from insurance companies, pushing up the price of insurance, not reducing it as Pearse claimed.

    The guy has a long line of disasters behind him and he isn't even the Minister for Finance yet. Sinn Fein like him because he does a good faux outrage on every topic and roars abuse at Gardai. Sure whats not to like.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So no different to what we are used to over the 100 years of the power share?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 18,096 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    MLM really being a piece of sh*t towards Ukrainians now:

    Mary Lou McDonald 'Mistake' to Give Ukrainians Special Status (extra.ie)

    Pandering to or going against their support? It's hard to know these days, SF have been able to be Schrodinger's opposition for a long time now, but the more people look, the more the cat turns out to be dead and rotten.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭pureza


    Why were candidates from your party losing their deposits wholesale in that time?

    You should stop going on with your power swap nonsense ,it just looks silly

    Your party was there,practically noone voted for it due to its whacky policies

    Dissing that is dissing democracy

    We're not in Russia,noone was stuffing fake ballots into boxes

    Sinn Féin have pirouette'd and continue to do so

    Voters have responded,have enough ? Polls seem to be saying no

    Could we have an FF SF rotating Taoiseach next time,it wouldn't surprise me

    What will old style Sinn Féin supporters think of that? No idea



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Why were candidates from your party


    I don't have a party.

    Why would I stop describing what happened in actuality here as a 'power share/swap'.

    FF and FG shared power with one another and then when challenged went into C&S arrangement and then a coalition.

    Other parties democratically got themselves into a position to challenge them for power.

    Point out any lies or mistruths in the above because I cannot see any. I can see why a FFer or FGer might be annoyed to have their history described thus but then you aren't either, so what exactly is your issue?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭pureza


    You don't have a party ? Pull the other one

    You can't be going on about a powerswap when your party existed and provided no alternative

    That would be hypocrisy

    You also can't be going on about what people voted for as a powerswap,as that would be a contempt by you for democracy and hypocrisy

    Your party has basically pirouette'd it self into gaining 28% extra electorate by becoming mainstream and alternative enough for those not getting what they want

    Selling what people want is still selling a pup

    It works until you win power

    After that it's exposed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    You can't be going on about a powerswap

    I'm not 'going on' about it. I just stated the actual workings of power since independence and it seems to have rattled your cage.

    There is no lie in stating FF and FG swapped power between them since independence because that is what actually happened.

    Other parties offer different ways of doing things. I have the freedom to vote for them or not.

    That is democracy.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    No it is now what happens, it is what the people decide, according to the constitution they enacted and that is not the same thinking at all. If you want to have serious discussion, fine but then you don't get to make up your of version of democracy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    Go on Jim, tell me what did I 'make up' about how democracy has worked here since independence.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,254 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    Well if that makes you happy in your little version or reality, then we'll just put it down to that and leave you to your own devices.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    So you pass on pointing out where I made up a version of democracy. Ok.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,196 ✭✭✭pureza


    Rubbish

    Imagine posting in a politics discussion forum displaying such a contempt for voters as you do there

    People chose during that time from the available parties of which yours was one and unelectable

    It's also ignorance and a deliberate lie because since the foundation of the state ,the political hatred between the 2 largest parties,well documented in any reputable history or politics book and media couldn't be unknown to you



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,350 ✭✭✭✭FrancieBrady


    People chose during that time from the available parties of which yours was one and unelectable

    Where have i said any different? I chose between the two power swapping parties up until 2020 GE.

    Anyone with eyes in their head could see that these two swapped power between them. When that option was not available they coalesced together to stay in power.

    Was the 'hate' real or just a handy device, who knows, but it was easily put away.



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