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EV Depreciation

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭gammon199


    MG 64kWh still champ I think

    32.5k/450km = €72/km



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sk8board


    Are the Teslas roughly something like this:

    Model 3 SR: €42k for 450km = €93/km

    model 3 LR: €50.5k for 550km = €91/km

    the Y would be less value on per-km basis, looks like €108 LR and €115 SR



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,933 ✭✭✭eagerv


    You have to use WLTP range like the other examples, which would give the Model 3 RWD about €81.5



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    You obviously bought a manual? My prices are for the auto.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sk8board


    It’s a fair point - the better figures to use are the EV-database averages for real range



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    The cheapest one of these I have seen. Every time I look there's price drops. These things have got absolutely savaged in the used market. It doesn't have the bigger battery and the cheaper ones are out of overall warranty (although plenty of battery warranty left), not the most efficient EVs but it's a lot of car for the money now.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sk8board


    With the very low range, plus 4yrs of battery degradation (even if it’s only 5%), the market is pretty small for it.

    it has ‘retired couple city runabout’ written all over it. It’s an import too, so a full background check would be a necessity



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    It's getting ridiculous if we're calling cars with 280km of range a city runabout. Even if it's down to a 265km (5% deg) it's still a more than good enough car for the majority of drivers with a great charging curve for the times you need to go a bit further. Still wouldn't buy it myself though :D



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 715 ✭✭✭galvo_clare


    Yes, mine is manual. There was a difference in rate alright. Wasn’t a factor in my decision as I wanted a manual anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    These were way overpriced when they came out and seem to be particularly unloved in the UK. It is a lot of car for the money but there are better EV’s to be got for even that money. If Audi sold an extended warranty product here like they do in other markets, an e-Tron like that one might be a more viable proposition.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sk8board


    The reality is that this car will struggle to get above 200km of anxiety-free motorway driving - that means that any return journey above 90-100km each way, leaving home with 100% charge, will need to be planned. That’s a hard No for most drivers.

    so it’s a great family long distance motorway cruiser, that cant actually do that.

    that’s why I think it’ll be the type of range that city-dwellers might be ok with



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    Better EVs for sure, they are not particularly good at being an EV but they're nice to be in and drive if range suited. Decent way into big premium SUV ownership if that was your thing.

    Spec dependent though, a really nicely styled one with black pack and nice wheels looks way different to an entry level one. But you can do the black styling yourself afterwards if you wanted, I got an A6 s line dechromed before it made it look great.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 7,157 ✭✭✭Buddy Bubs


    My father has an Etron 55, so the bigger battery one. It has 93kwh and 86 usable. It does the same range as my 62/58 usable Born, which tops out at about 300 on motorway at motorway speeds.

    The 50 battery is 71/65 usable so in around 75% of the 55 range, about 225kms on a motorway. On a good day. So you're not far off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,796 ✭✭✭sk8board


    yep. Or to put it another way, this is a car that can’t do a 60min cold weather motorway journey at 120kmph without the inconvenience and cost of destination charging, to ensure you’ll make it home.

    and we wonder why expensive EVs are selling in the 2nd hand mass market.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Have they been savaged tho ? I bought an etron 50 sport as a 202 reg and I think it retailed at 72k net of the grant and I might have paid 70 so that puts this base spec at around 65k new. In a few weeks it’s 4 years old so what should it be as effectively a private sale ? Seems about right to me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Price is about right, several similar cars on offer within €2K-€5K of it from non franchise dealers. Unlikely it will be snapped up, very little market for these without some kind of warranty. A bigger battery 55 version would be easier to shift.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 16,151 ✭✭✭✭josip


    That's brutal efficiency. Does any other EV have worse?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,678 ✭✭✭joe1303l


    Not really, Tesla Bjorn on YT uses it as a benchmark for how inefficient an EV can be. Regularly references the “Fat e-Tron”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,883 ✭✭✭v10


    Wow that's worse than my Etron GT which I would consider inefficient, but even with plenty of heavy foot and 130km/h motorway driving it still easily does 380kms.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,387 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    to be fair for a long time the etron was a pretty unique proposition , it’s a large suv with over 400bhp in 55 guise, very big boot and usual Audi premium interior.

    and it was proper (ish) ev platform. Compared to the glc and I pace it’s a better suv imo . Also it’s a very heavy beast but again as a 55 the range is more than adequate for most.

    things have caught up a bit but still there isn’t much similar, the eqe suv has better range but much smaller boot and a lot less bhp as well.



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Cyber Truck 😂

    490 wh/mile based on 1000 miles done since delivery.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,887 ✭✭✭Casati


    Etron’s in the UK lose thousands per month and as many are ex lease they ca be brought here cheaply too



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭yermanthere


    It's fairly bleak for anyone who bought new in 2023. Paid top dollar, and high interest rates.

    Even if your new car in 2026 is 10 grand less than what it was in '23, there's still the cost to swallow. There's no calculating " cost to change" when your 23 reg has already cost you a fortune.

    Balance that with charge to 80% for some, meaning top up to 100% is on day rates before Christmas journey. Then pay 65-70 cent on public charging. Then pay same toll's as ICE from next week. Then wait 30 minutes to recharge to get home.

    A rav 4/Tucson/Sportage wont have incurred that level of pain in the next 3 years.

    Sorry to be so negative. But as an EV owner who has other bills to pay, I feel a bit let down by the market. Cheap EV for tipping around and charge at night rates is the future. Family car will be ICE.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,459 ✭✭✭Jizique


    Govt support for the used (BEV) car market???? Is the world gone mad?

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Why would you too uk to 100% on day rates when you can fill up to 100% during the night at night rates?

    Unless you’re hinting at the old fashioned statement that you can’t fill to 100%?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 198 ✭✭yermanthere


    Gumbo, with respect, even you are not the only ev opinion in the world.

    For some battery chemistry, charging to 80% is best for battery health. It's been proven many times over. Along with DC charging, which Bjorn has shown degrades even the all-powerful Tesla. So if embarking on a long journey after 10am ( hint, kids) the battery will be topped up to 100% on day rates.

    But please , attack the tiny details which are 5-10 euro issues. Not the depreciation and interest rates that cost thousands.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭creedp


    Just time the 100% charge to end at 8am / 9am winter/summer and leave whenever you want. Id be fairly confident the battery wont disintegrate operating on that basis. In any case on most days you wont need more than 80% capacity to meet your travel needs



  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,604 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Charging to 100% is fine on every EV once you use it. If you charge to 100% and leave it sitting there for days, that’s a problem. There’s buffers top and bottom of the batteries too.

    I wasn’t attacking anyone. If that’s you feel, then I can’t help that unfortunately. I was questioning the 80% charge comment and the reason for waiting top it up during the day. Why on earth would any owner do that?



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Regional East Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 6,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭liamog


    Why pay more money to realise the loss in depreciation and take out a new loan with the same finance rates? You'd be better holding the EV that you already have. If your car has "lost" value but you weren't planning a change anyway then the loss is entirely on paper.



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