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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There cannot be referendum on whatever issue you want, because we don't have that system in Ireland



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    Lad what are you actually on about? Of course we only want good, well educated immigrants. What sort of simpleton wants criminal's? Who wants unskilled or low skilled given all it does is drive down wages and lead to increased poverty?

    I assume you thought you had a zinger there but it's like trying to shame someone having a get together in their own home and going "what do ya mean you are only letting in people you know?!"



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    The real meat is when you finally realize how much skin is in the game for a lot of them.

    I remember Merkels legions, what was it 2015? The same tactics used. Then you'd slowly piece together or get it outta them eventually. Working for charities usually. I remember one specific one, worked as a translator for an NGO for filling in forms, was easy see why they were mad for open borders, nice little earner. I'm assuming they specialized in maybe one or two languages so was in their interest keep em coming



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 694 ✭✭✭Sonic the Shaghog


    Ennis was funny one, filled up pre anchor baby referendum but for some reason when the recession hit, the non European population dropped dramatically, coincided with feck all council houses getting built and social welfare getting slashed to bits at the time 🤔



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,590 ✭✭✭Mr. teddywinkles


    Wouldn't bother interacting mate. Think I was reported for saying something here a while ago.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Mary lou smelling the coffee now



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    Too late, by time any real action,restrictions or proper policy in place the country is going to be a total mess. Take a walk through our Capital city and look at the utter sh#£hole it has become. Only going to get worse now with people who we know nothing about being let loose with a tent and a dunnes voucher. Smelling the coffee is long past.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,763 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Ireland’s human rights watchdog has challenged the Government in the High Court over its failure to provide suitable accommodation and supports for asylum seekers.

    Ms Justice Niamh Hyland gave the Irish Human Rights and Equality Commission (IHREC) leave yesterday to take judicial review proceedings, which will return to the court on January 23rd, when the State will be represented.

    IHREC is seeking mandatory orders that would require the Minister for Equality and Integration Roderic O’Gorman to establish a system that vindicates the fundamental rights of international protection applicants, senior counsel Eoin McCullough told the court.

    There are currently 259 applicants for asylum, or international protection, without shelter who have been offered €113.80 per week, which, although higher than the previous €38.80, is not enough to secure accommodation, Mr McCullough said. The men are also directed to places offering sleeping bags and tents if required, he added.


    At what stage can the government just say, sorry but we unfortunately don't have unlimited accommodation available for everyone who turns up in the country. No doubt the IHREC will be looking for damages paid to these 259 applicants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,338 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    What hotel is housing immigrants in Ballyvaughan? Is it the one down beside Monks or the Hyland? I think the one beside Monks was closed for years.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    American born crapology,

    I'm glad somebody mentioned that. It drives me crazy, importing American ideology based on their own royally f*cked up society. The removal of the statues at the Shelbourne Hotel was a perfect example of that. Destroying part of what remains of historic Dublin to satisfy an ignorant and ill-informed American obsession with race.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 882 ✭✭✭Juran


    Legal immigration means people outside the EU apply for a VISA to work, live, marry, study, etc in this country. If they meet the requirments and background checks pass, they get a visa and can reside here for a specific period. Legal immigrants add value to the country - by working and paying taxes, studying paying fees, or other means. Often after so many years of contributing, they can apply for residency.

    I believe the vast majority of posters here are not against non EU/UK immigrants who enters the country the legal Visa route. But they can all tell me I'm wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,106 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    It would be hugely divisive and rancorous 

    You are right. It would divide the government from the majority of the population

    there is no way the issues would be debated in a calm and mature and responsible fashion

    Like they're being debated now?

    There would be misinformation galore 

    Misinformation similar to - 'We have international obligations to help all these people fleeing wars and persecution From Georgia, Albania and war ravaged South Africa'



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    So we have a taxpayer funded organisation spending taxpayers money to sue the taxpayer.

    Regardless of the patent absurdity of the situation, it will be interesting to follow.

    If the NGO prevails, then the government will be forced to provide for these asylum seekers. Clearly, they cannot magic up new houses/apartments, so what options are there?

    Increase paymemnts to a level where asylum seekers can afford to rent on the open market?

    Accelerate and intensify the acquisition of hotels/nursing homes/bed and breakfasts?

    Compulsory purchase of second homes?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    You really haven't a clue about the impact of these centres being imposed on small towns/ villages.

    Yes, a bit of a pivot going on in SF. The truth and their polling is frightening the horses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    The answer is simples: slash the funding of said taxpayer funded organisation and let them go out and shake buckets and see what response they get.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    I know towns with these centres and there are no issues.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    No issues with what? No issues with schools, health? No issues with collapsing tourism revenue? No issues for small rural businesses dependent on visitors? Open your eyes and don't be so blinkered :)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,278 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Yes it seems like it's best to lie to people about we have no choice, ignore locals concerns and call everyone far right and refuse to discuss it.

    This seems to be working great with a riot on the streets and arson attacks.

    This is only going to get worse the longer it goes on.

    But it seems asking the people to discuss the topic will cause too more trouble.

    While everyone knows the real reason is because the governent will get a resounding no to what they are doing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    No. I don't see any reports about DP centres causing issues, apart from the locals protesting against them.

    I haven't seen any reports anywhere about issues with these centres once they are open. None anywhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    These are the questions that no one will answer. Government, NGOS and those who welcome this kind of migration. If the government are found in the wrong here how do they solve the problem.

    Here is ny answer, close up,were full. Take no more.

    Is there another way to solve this



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭Gussie Scrotch


    Well, that's one suggestion.

    But it won't happen, I think.

    The bit that puzzles me is why is it necessary to litigate? I'm sure the IHREC are aware of the difficulties faced by the government.

    Why can't this be settled out of court? Litigation usually ensues when all other avenues for amicable resolutions have been exhausted.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭DeadHand


    Incidently, in recent weeks Islamist attacks, planned to coincide with Christmas, were thwarted in Germany and Denmark.

    Despite this, security experts warn the entire EU remains at 'huge risk' of Islamic violence over Christmas.

    The Irish political establishment, in blatant service to external and corporate interests, forced multiculturalism upon Ireland through mass immigration without national consultation, demand, consent or mandate.

    It's done.

    Are they now, at least, equipped to manage the inevitable consequences of their "success"? Are they prepared for the realities of securing a multicultural society, as the Germans and Danes are?

    I am not optimistic on this front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭malinheader


    More coverage in court probably.

    Probably highlights to the world what a bad and racist country we are. I really don't think there is anything that the government could do to please the IHREC.

    Anyhow I'm really looking forward to seeing how this goes and I have totally no sympathy on our weak brainless government who have let this happen.

    Access to the country should of been done properly and taken serious so its a making of there own.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 239 ✭✭tikka16751


    How have these IPA’s got electric scooters?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 171 ✭✭Blind As A Bat


    But you see, that's the thing. People shouldn't be identifying themselves as an 'ethnic minority'. Do you think Phil Lynott identified or would have liked to identify himself that way? When I was growing up in Ireland nobody thought of Phil Lynott as 'black'. He was just Phil - and that's how it should be.

    Btw I'm a woman and I'm totally against the idea of quotas of women in any field. Girls should certainly be encouraged to pursue careers in fields like engineering but a job should be offered to the best candidate, not to fill quotas.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,273 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    People do identify themselves by ethnicity on the Census though - 'Black' and 'Black Irish' and 'Asian' and 'Asian Irish' are some of the official categories that can be ticked on the form (but have the option to not state what ethnicity they are of course).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,522 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    The Netherlands on high alert too. We can't even control a few hundred teenagers running amok so zero chance we could handle anything like what other places have seen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,370 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    It's irrational if you believe all Muslims are terrorists and women haters



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Phil spoke of the racism he experienced growing up in Ireland. He had songs about it, like half cast etc.

    Racism exists and I've no problem with someone acknowledging their ethnicity in Ireland.

    Provided they're, similar to Phil. Proud to be Irish.

    Otherwise they can get back o the boat/plane they /their parents came in on back to the country they came from.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,544 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    Not all but enough for it to be a major issue in most if not all countries that welcomed them.



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