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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood


    And that's exactly why this is a new phenomenon. Never has there been mass migration like this.

    Filling a country beyond functioning capacity is every bit as dangerous as it sounds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,341 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    No they wouldn't. Europe is like a sieve. For exmple, would the Russians cooperate or allow these migrants to pass thru their very long border. Maybe we should build a wall? 😉 Even the tiny Berlin wall didn't stop people crossing or digging tunnels.

    Europe has a lot of water to patrol too. Impossible to stop mass migration.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood


    I answered your questions.

    You're saying how could mass export of people be accomplished, and the answer lies in my question, how would an irish person from the 90s envisage mass migration into the country to beyond the ridiculous?

    The answer is that it will naturally manifest. I can't tell you how, just like 90s man couldnt comprehend the 2020s. Out of necessity comes solutions.

    We can only consider the near-present, and I'll tell you with certainty, this current bullshite is doomed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,341 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    I asked to Where. Where will you organise this mass exodus to? Rwanda? Specifics man.

    I was in my 20s during the 1990s and I am still failing to grasp your point. The 2020s are fairly similar for me except for more technology and fancier cars. I still play hurling and I still walk the same roads with my dog. What alternative reality are you seeing day to day??

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭jackboy


    Yes it would be in an emergency situation . With an aggressive policy it could be done with ruthless efficiency, especially if the population works with the authorities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood


    I can't tell you.

    No more than 90s man could predict that there would be such mass migration into the country within 30 years that burgeoning tent cities of foreigners would be springing up around a housing crisis.

    As for you not seeing any difference in the country, well, that's pretty much the end of the conversation then. Or have you considered why we're having a conversation at all? Why there's a pushing conversation across the entire nation? Why that hotel was burned down? Etc.

    Needs must for solving mass migration. It will manifest out of necessity and it may take all of us by surprise.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood


    Not that I personally advocate for such action, but surprisingly few actions would have an outsized effect.

    If, in some "Sci fi future", as the other poster caled it, a Mediterranean naval blockade was let loose to fire at random on people smuggling ships, it would be the end of the phenomenon in a week.

    If a pass-the-buck initiative were formed across Europe regarding airports, where an illegal migrant was flown back to exit point, back to previous exit point and so on, it would be the end of the airport fiasco.

    If people had to then amass on the coasts of north Africa, faced with being blown to bits, or even if they managed to get into Europe, to be immediately expelled and with no hope of social welfare ever, that mass of people on the African coast would simply dissipate. Probably within weeks.

    Ditto for any other frontier.

    Call it Sci fi, but it's a very real potential.


    To get back to the present, the simple reason people keep arriving, legally and not, is because it is allowed to happen. Major emphasis on the word "allowed". Things change quick.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Don't forget Inch in Clare, a blink and you miss it little village that had The Irish Times and The Journal writers as well as certain Dublin based Labour and Green politicians shouting about the far right



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Unreal the difference - practically one third of the price. Probably the only thing the DUP have got right up north.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭getoutadodge


    No problem sealing the borders during Covid though?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood



    Students are clueing into it.

    While the greedy mental rejects running the country into the ground are turning student accommodation into refugee centres, irish students are seeking refuge in northern Ireland.

    The irony.

    And to anyone from the North reading this, I'd keep a close eye on it. Don't absorb the mass migration problems of the Republic and make them your own problems.

    As it should be, the Republic needs to get its own act together.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,719 ✭✭✭DebDynamite


    I was Paris a couple of weeks ago, a city well known for being multicultural. However, what struck me was how it didn’t seem multicultural at all. The people I encountered on the metro, shops, restaurants, streets I walked down were overwhelmingly French, which really surprised me.

    I compared that to Dublin City center which I was only in the evening before, which is feeling less and less Irish every time I visit.

    I guess a huge city like Paris is still big enough to absorb a large foreign population, unlike Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,877 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    If climate doomsday is to be believed were all fcuked regardless.

    If half the worlds current population started arriving on Europe's shores as these hyperbolic articles claimed then it would be wartime and Europe would be blowing boats and planes out of their skies and waters.

    Migration is purely economics. Social media and social welfare is causing the current spike. Not climate.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood


    Why do more and more people keep arriving into a country with one of the planets best social welfare programs?

    We'll never know.

    Why did the government, riddled with property affilliations, year after year, see the likes of the housing crisis and the soaring money involved and still facilitate yet even more people into the country?

    We'll never know.

    Oh well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,199 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I said it before this Government know they have at most a year left so nothing will change, its anyones guess what things will be like on the 17th of December 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,341 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    Which border in mainland Europe was sealed? And for how long?

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    Perhaps billions could be pumped into the countries most likely to immigrate to Europe. OK I know that there is a billion or two already given by us in Foreign Aid, but what about an EU dual governance system, we give you the money to run your country well, and we will oversee it too. I know there is vast corruption in many Third World Countries, but honestly there is corruption here too by the looks of it, or at the very least a policy of open borders which is pocket lining by subterfuge. I dunno anymore.

    Anyway it would make you weary. My biggest question is WHY? What motivates Government and opposition to support this madness, and to seemingly second rate the indigenous citizens. For what? Follow the money I suppose.

    That fella Sutherland has (had) a lot to answer for with his mass globalisation policy. And now we have his Davos acolyte Coveney ready to take over in Finance if Dimples goes to the IMF. I smell a rodent somewhere honest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,488 ✭✭✭dalyboy


    “we give you the money to run your country well, and we will oversee it too”

    Doomed to spectacular failure imo

    It’d be the same as burning even more €billions on top of the €billions costed to the present immigration.

    p.s these despot characters who run these countries in question usually don’t take to kindly to having their cosy cartel regimes being “overseen”



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,121 ✭✭✭✭Spanish Eyes


    I did say I was weary, and I know all you say is true, but something has to give somewhere so I'm just throwing something mad into the mix. It can't be worse than what's happening under our noses, you know the thing that's NOT happening, all is well, bring them all in, there are no limits, what housing crisis? etc.

    Gaslighting 101.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood


    Make money at the expense of society today, escape consequences with said money tomorrow.

    Simple enough plan, really.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭MagicJohn


    Absolutely superb post, worth reading again and again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 94 ✭✭MagicJohn


    Another element in all of this..

    AI will make many jobs obsolete.

    Just how are the pensions going to be paid for, if the newly arrived won't ever be working either?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,341 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    That's all well and good but it's already happening. It's inevitable.

    Article: Amid Record Drought and Food Insecurity, .. | migrationpolicy.org

    After five consecutive failed rainy seasons and with a sixth projected this year, drought has become a mainstay in East Africa. With the environmental disaster compounded by long-term conflict, poverty, reliance on agriculture, insufficient international aid, and other challenges, migration may seem inevitable. Up to 86 million people in sub-Saharan Africa will migrate within their own countries due to climate change by 2050, according to the World Bank, with sizable numbers in East Africa.

    Post edited by Boards.ie: Mike on

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Our Roderic would do well to reread that green bible called The Growth Illusion. You can’t keep stuffing more in, it’s an illusion that just widens the gap between the haves and have nots in society. You’d think he knows this?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Perhaps we should send all immigrants back to where they came from and bring our own Irish emigrants home.....



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood


    Sounds fine.

    We'll do what we can as a country and reduce the extra population, and then other countries can do the same if they wish.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,373 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Great idea.

    We can get rid of approx 750,000 people and take back the 1.5 million Irish born from other countries.

    That'll sort out the 'extra population '



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 53 ✭✭toucheswood


    Again, no problem.

    As a sovereign nation, ireland can do what it wants should it choose to.

    We have no say over other countries and they can do what they please.

    I'll call that bluff every day of the week. Let's go.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 896 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    A fairly decent swap in fairness...?

    Why are Irish trained doctors and nurses fleeing Ireland to serve in UK, US, Canadian and Australian hospitals? Why are we 'importing' HCWs from third world countries? Same can be said for construction and other important sectors.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,341 ✭✭✭✭Cluedo Monopoly


    You want an Ireland for Irish people only? I find that odd.

    What are they doing in the Hyacinth House?



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