Prime Time Gender Issues (READ OP BEFORE POSTING)

Pretending? Please explain the definition of a Transphobic lesbian.

Not sure that would be any comfort to lesbians, specially after you analyse the 3rd paragraph in post #412

Yes

Several posters here don't seem to have reached that level of maturity.

Wait till you hear about what women experience with cis men.

Your definition and my definition don't really matter, because presumably, like me, you have no professional experience in the matter.

Are you suggesting that trans people aren't real?

Hopefully some have discovered positive things about the determination of some people to set up a big scary bogeyman about kids from Ireland having gender affirmation surgery despite there being zero evidence to support this.

You sure didn't. Its actually a tactic to have a meaningful conversation or debate. Its why we have books that exist to define the meaning of words, otherwise its impossible to have a meaningful conversation.

No one who wants to force the rest of the world to accept trans men or trans women will bother to define "men" or "women". So how you can be "trans" something that has no definition is impossible. How can you say that you differ from something that you can't define. If you cant define it you cant define yourself as different from it. Its simply illogical. The reason why you throw out this guff of "tactic" is because to define it would render your argument moot.

If I asked you to tell me if you were cis-plert or trans-plert what would you say? I'm pretty sure you would first need to know what a plert was.

Cis this and cis that, cismen, ciswomen, feckin cis everything, fed-up hearing this stupid word used by Trans people, which many of us find vacuous & offensive.

It is used primarily as an illegitimate prefix (where it's not wanted or needed)!

The sooner it fades into obscurity the better, along with those silly pronouns which are mistly as crazy as batshit.

I am a man, not a cis man, just a man ... and my wife is a woman, not a cis woman, but just a woman with a cervix, but without a prefix.

Trans people can have their prefix, as long as it doesn't impinge on the terminology of men & women - ditch the CIS, or at least in this thread don't ever use it towards me.

You cannot have a debate without definitions. Whether these definitions are stated or implied then clarified.

If you haven't a definition for a woman or indeed a man you will struggle in any debate around trans, particularly those around women's spaces or sports.

What is a trans woman?

What is a trans man?

What is a man?

What is a woman?

For example if your definition of a woman is a person who wears skirts, makeup and drinks tea then it differs a lot from my own.

Are all good things to define in something such as this as they are core to the debate and it does appear people have varying ideas of what they are.

"Cis" is identical to "woke" in the sense that anyone using it in conversation can just be immediately dismissed as not worth engaging.

I don't think anyone is suggesting that trans people don't exist....there are very obviously people out there who were born as a biological male or female who, at a point in time, or over a course of time feel that they are the opposite to the sex they are without actually being able to explain how that journey looks or where the endpoint is. Indeed others feel something, not necessarily man or woman - this is also where things get a bit crazy in any other conversation. They give that something a name and look for afirmation of that.

The above is all well and good, generally, once they are adults, they accept the consequences for their actions and indeed their feelings don't impinge on the rights of others.

That's when the issues begin to happen and when those that question things get called "transphopic" or indeed being acused of inducing "transpanic" - which as you might agree aren't good starting point for an adult debate on the rights of everyone.

Have you ever actually spoken to a trans person?