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BusConnects Dublin - Big changes to Bus Network

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    #11132
    Qrt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Qrt


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121491111#Comment_121491111

    I don’t think anyone should have earphones in while driving, let alone those driving a ten tonne vehicle.



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    #11133
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490614#Comment_121490614

    I wouldn't have a problem with the radio per say, it was the BLARING of it, the crap music on it and the singing along that made me shudder. I've shushed people who don't know how to use earphones also, I think it's animal like behaviouri wouldn't do that at home with other people present never mind in public with strangers



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    #11134
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,297 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121490447#Comment_121490447

    Most of them arent watered down though and should go through planning fairly easy but here we are 2 years deep. It's only 2 or 3 of the corridors that are significantly watered down, all south side and all in areas with highly agressive residents associations, the result is their footpaths have been cut down to nothing in the design, in Ballsbridge for example a wheelchair users will no longer be able to access a number of places because of sub 1m wide footpaths proposed. This is what locals wanted apparently. If that cuts the mustard with ABP then clearly ABP is not competent as these designs are not only non compliant thEy are grossly at odds with all standards and policies and should be conditioned back to the drawing board. That might mean those areas will have poor bus services for another 5 years, so be it but I'm hopeful a proper design will be implemented and not the tat thats been submitted for planning in certain areas



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    #11135
    LXFlyer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492096#Comment_121492096

    In terms of bus priority the southside ones will make a significant difference though, including the ones you’re commenting on, which given bus users far outnumber everyone else is kind of important, but especially the Rathfarnham / Templeogue corridor which suffers the slowest bus speeds in the city.



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    #11136
    LXFlyer
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492080#Comment_121492080

    But the vast majority of bus drivers don’t do that, and your initial post was a bit harsh to be honest - most Dublin Bus drivers are decent hardworking people getting us all from A to B and have a hard enough job as it is without having to read sweeping statements like “Is anyone else finding bus drivers increasingly annoying?” here.

    Every job has their bad apples, and fair enough you can pick on an individual, but tarnishing everyone with the same brush isn’t right or fair comment.

    As someone who commutes five days a week on Dublin Bus and also at weekends, the bad experiences that I’ve had (in terms of staff interaction) are minuscule in number compared with the good ones.



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    #11137
    AX636
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭AX636


    I drive for DB and use to drive for GAI. I've always had a radio as it makes it less stressful when I have it playing and great to listen to something when stuck in traffic. One day while driving an AX and the bus was full an a person standing beside the cab but behind the white line asked could I turn my radio up a little as they liked the song that was on.



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    #11138
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭john boye


    About 15 years ago (before we all had everything in our pockets on our phone) a particular driver on a local route would be listening to the live Premier League match on Today FM and shouting the latest scores from that and other games down the bus as they came in. It was great!



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    #11139
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭john boye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121492888#Comment_121492888

    Drivers were getting booked for having radios a few years ago, I assume that's no longer the case?



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    #11140
    AX636
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭AX636


    https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/bus-drivers-threaten-to-strike-over-radio-row/34503739.html

    They where, until drivers threatened to go on strike and the kinda backed down.

    Sorry folks I'm going way of topic.



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    #11141
    mikeybhoy
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493020#Comment_121493020

    I thought weren't officially allowed use the radio but couldn't be displined for having one.



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    #11142
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭john boye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493187#Comment_121493187

    I think that was the settlement.



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    #11143
    BusGuy
    Registered Users Posts: 60 ✭✭BusGuy


    This is a bit unrelated but I saw an EW on the 15B the other day and I thought it was supposed to be on the 122 and the 123?



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    #11144
    AX636
    Registered Users Posts: 66 ✭✭AX636


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496371#Comment_121496371

    It's meant to be 15A/B and 123 but since Summerhill are have some trouble with them at the minute they decided to keep them near the garage. But as more come to the garage the will br on every route in the garage



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    #11145
    Qrt
    Registered Users Posts: 1,635 ✭✭✭Qrt


    Does anybody else think the EWs look…terrible?



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    #11146
    Hotblack Desiato
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121493187#Comment_121493187

    Delete 'babies' and substitute 'radio' 😁

    https://youtu.be/vSJmP8IJJow?t=76


    Fingal County Council are certainly not competent to be making decisions about the most important piece of infrastructure on the island. They need to stick to badly designed cycle lanes and deciding on whether Mrs Murphy can have her kitchen extension.



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    #11147
    TranslatorPS
    Registered Users Posts: 325 ✭✭TranslatorPS


    Lads, just to go back to the Swords Road x Collins Avenue junction layout, can I just remind that—as far as I remember to have been the case in the last 7 years—the 16 didn't actually use the lay-by stop (that's currently on the N4) as an intermediate stop on Ballinteer/Airport journeys, but only as a starting stop for the Collins Ave/Ballinteer shorts that run the counterroute and swung around to Whitehall to beat the Shantalla Road traffic.

    I'm of course open to correction, but as far as I remember from my DCU firstie time, I don't think that's been an intermediate on the 16 for a long time.



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    #11148
    bk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496795#Comment_121496795

    Personally, I think they look great, modern looking front end. But of course a very subjective thing.

    I actually got to ride one a few weeks ago, been meaning to write up about it when I have a minute!



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    #11149
    L1011
    Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 67,956 Mod ✭✭✭✭L1011


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496795#Comment_121496795

    Buses are finally starting to look like what Transport Tycoon told us they would in the 00s. Just waiting for widespread use of maglevs to complete the predictions!



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    #11150
    dfx-
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,665 Mod ✭✭✭✭dfx-


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121496795#Comment_121496795

    the front display looks terrible in particular.

    We've spent a lot of money in the past meticulously changing the dot matrix displays on the AV/AX to orange LEDs.

    Now they're abandoned for a white text.



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    #11151
    bk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121498315#Comment_121498315

    Don’t the PA class also have white displays? Personally I think it looks better then the weird orange colour.



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    #11152
    noelfirl
    Registered Users Posts: 625 ✭✭✭noelfirl


    The resolution of the white displays always seems much sharper and legible to me, similar to how white LED street lights provide much more sharp and clear illumination versus older orange sodium vapour ones.

    It may well be the case that orange displays aren't even offered as an option on new builds anymore.



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    #11153
    mikeybhoy
    Registered Users Posts: 1,085 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121497713#Comment_121497713

    The same front end as the BE VWDs. They're nice enough looking buses but I prefer the look of the PAs myself.



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    #11154
    bk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121499877#Comment_121499877

    Ah, right! I knew it was different but somehow familiar, couldn’t put my finger on it. Being from Cork originally I’ve been on the VWD’s many times when home, though they would have had the red and white BE colour scheme, so that would explain it thanks.

    On the display, yes I was out for a walk earlier and saw both an older bus with an Orange display and a PA with white display and the white display was definitely more legible. That was in daylight sun, might be different at night, must keep an eye out.



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    #11155
    dublinman1990
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    I have some more information about my local bus stop which has the L25 route serving Annaville Terrace to Dún Laoghaire. This is known as bus stop no. 7421. in Newtownpark Avenue in Blackrock.

    The latest photograph of it is here below taken earlier tonight.

    IMG20231215200746.jpg

    It turns out this bus stop has now been updated with the new TFI bus pole in the above photo.

    It previously had the old Dublin Bus stop on it since it was replaced with the new pole earlier this week. The L25 route has also been added to it's bus stop flag. However there are no printed timetables available on this stop at all. It just has a TFI notice on it written in both English and Irish on it's carousel.

    Also; there is still is no online real time information available for the L25 stopping here yet when I looked up the TFI Live app or the TFI Journey Planner website either. Why is that information still not available when the L25 has been out in service for nearly 3 weeks now coming up to this Sunday. That is very frustrating.

    I haven't checked the other poles which had the old Dublin Bus stop poles located along that stretch from Stillorgan Park Road to Rowanbyrn yet. I would assume that they have all been updated with the new TFI pole either with timetable information or not for each stop by now. If TFI have been updating them this week. They must have replaced them all replaced within a day or two of work and then that was it.



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    #11156
    TranslatorPS
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    There is a major shift towards white displays on the continent as well—disability advocacy groups generally do agree that they are easier to read than orange displays.



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    #11157
    john boye
    Registered Users Posts: 1,504 ✭✭✭john boye


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502176#Comment_121502176

    Yes it's really been an overnight change. You see them on most new buses now in the UK.



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    #11158
    bk
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    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502176#Comment_121502176

    I was out walking after dark last night and caught both an EW and older bus less then 30 seconds apart. The white display is definitely clearer and easier to see at distance at night too.

    BTW I also noticed that the EW has a full width display on the back, so it displays both the route number and destination, while the older bus had just a small display that showed just the destination. Looking online, it looks like the PA introduced this wider display on the back.



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    #11159
    lateconnection
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭lateconnection


    Can anyone shed any light on why Dublin Bus never purchased any more VT buses? (the tri axle ones that can hold 120 people)



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    #11160
    LXFlyer
    Registered Users Posts: 17,584 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502688#Comment_121502688

    You would have to ask the NTA - they make the decisions about PSO fleet purchases.

    And this is probably one of their poorer decisions to be honest.



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    #11161
    lateconnection
    Registered Users Posts: 79 ✭✭lateconnection


    https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121502735#Comment_121502735

    I agree. They'd make a big difference on busy routes now. In Hong Kong, the Enviro500 tri axle can hold 140 passengers. That's 50 more than a normal Dublin bus. Would be great if we had them here on busier routes.



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