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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭Rawr


    In nearly every quantitive way, the only success the Russian Federation can gleen from their disasterious adventure is that they haven’t been ejected from Ukraine yet.

    • The war has exposed them to have an armed forces that were formidable on paper alone, and had only the advantages of numbers of canon fodder, and Soviet surplus weapons to keep the in the game.
    • Their nucular deterrant is looking increasingly theoretic as time passes, and their threats of using them are looking emptier as the months drag on.
    • Finland joined NATO, with Sweden on its way, awarding Putin another “NATO-Lake” against 2 of his main Naval forces…one of which is hiding from the Ukrainians.
    • Russia’s main sources of funding are drying up, and positive financial reports from Russia have a knack of being fiction.
    • Despite stealing children a democratic time-bomb is primed to decimate the Russian population in a way that they are unlikely to recover from.
    • Worst of all, despite all the nonsense with alt-right bell-ends, Russia’s actions have galvanised the Western World against them.

    The Mainstream Media haven’t been particularly good at keeping up with this conflict, but those who wish to pay attention can see many of the signs of what is happening in Russia & Ukraine. To dismiss much of this as “MSM Propaganda” does nothing to add to conversation, beyond serving the needs of the Kremlin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Lost lives destruction on both sides Russia has not lost ground since the invasion .A pointless war .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,802 ✭✭✭rgossip30


    Funding has run out for Ukraine so can they continue .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    Russia has lost of 50% of the ground they have taken.

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    It's an old map, just to show the 'russia has not lost ground since the invasion' statement is beyond ridiculous.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,333 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    Yes, Hungary would appoint a Commissioner just like the other members, and he would have been chosen by their current govt. Assume/expect he is subject to same scrutiny as the others...!

    Don't know anything about him, but he was in the news recently I recall, for spouting out beyond his authority about cancelling all EU aid for Palestinians after Hamas's attack on Israel.

    Unfortunately the Orbán govt. will have the same right to a say in what goes on in the EU and to benefit from it as the other members unless/until they are suspended by the rest for breaking the treaties.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,560 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The House of Terror? Yes, it was one of the museums I referenced. Did a fantastic Soviet Walking Tour too which was an excellent insight into how badly Hungarians were treated by the USSR. It's absolutely mind-bending that any Hungarian could vote for a Russian lacky.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Politics Moderators Posts: 14,567 Mod ✭✭✭✭johnnyskeleton


    Its pointless on the Russian side. But Ukraine have to fight to maintain their independence and sovereignty so its worthwhile for them to keep going.

    As to whether they can keep going without international funding - yes is the short answer. They were prepared to fight the Russians on their own in 2022. The external funding helped a lot but isnt the main reason why Ukraine are winning (that is due primarily to the Ukrainian peoples willingness to fight).

    I dont see funding drying up for 2024, despite the current uncertainty.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,440 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I'm more interested on what you are reading to lead to a comment like this, some sources would help.

    Ukraine are currently well funded, would like more, most of the current debates are about future funds which will be sorted after a bit of political grandstanding.

    The question then becomes if you are easily led or trying to mislead others.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    When someone uses MSM as a pejorative, the answer to your first question is: a bunch of unsubstantiated tattle merchants and echo chambers presumably peddling some tankie perspective



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭Rawr


    You final point about being “easily led or trying to mislead others” is an important point to reflect on. I replied to this pro-Russia supporter on the last page, mostly for the benefit of an uninitiated Boardie stumbling onto that post without context (and being misinformed by it).

    I suspected that there was little to no chance of actually arguing a point with them, they appeared to be fully committed to a Kremlin-curated view of Ukraine and their resistance of the Russian invasion. But then, as we often end up discussing to on this thread, the question is; why? Why would users of an Irish discussion board, use their free speech fully support a nation that would strike them down if they dared not to resonate with the Kremlin’s talking points? That is, why would they do this if they weren’t on the Russian Federation’s payroll or otherwise benefiting from a Russian victory in this war?

    Some here already have examples of people they know who fit into this mould. Essentially the “anti-imperialist” “anti-western” Edgelord (for want of a better word). Or lately, the pro-Elon / cryto-bro / MAGA / anti-“woke” brigade who see no issue with Russia’s facist nightmare, thanks to their medieval views of women, homosexuals and human rights in general.

    So we get drive-by comments in support of Russia, from people who either have no grasp of what this war actually is, or worse, don’t really care about the consequences so long as their worldview is validated.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,358 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 233 ✭✭IdHidden


    Or well funded and organised RuSSan propaganda. For example,  thousands of fake TikTok accounts pushed Russian lies to millions.


    that are primarily targeting children and young adults. Now factor in everything from Facebook/Instagram, Newspaper comment sections online, to Linkedin and more.

    MIT research indicated that the Russian IRA/GRU hit an estimated 140 million Americans a month (360 million world wide, weekly) with their targeted online disinformation and propaganda - on Facebook alone. In the US they specifically target white Christians and black communities on wedge issues such as religion, race, gender and reproductive issues. Obviously, they have branched out to Ukraine, funding, Hunter Biden and Volodymyr Zelenskyy. Before that is was Covid and pushing anti-vax conspiracy. 

    They found that the most popular Christian group in America was run by a Russian Gov' troll farm. It's not just online, lets not forget that the most American of American things - the NRA was run as a Russian asset, through Maria Butina and Alexander Torshin.

    Usually the ones that dismiss this completely are the ones that consume most of it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,058 ✭✭✭✭briany


    If the US or the West in general turns its back on Ukraine, then that's pretty much the beginning of the end for Western hegemony.

    Now, there's a cohort of people who will say, 'good' in a roundabout way. That the West is decadent or that the Western way isn't the only way of doing things. Maybe liberal democracy has had its time...

    But even if these arguments are being made in good faith, they completely overlook the chaos that will unfold as Russia and China realise they can press territorial ambitions with a fundamentally limited pushback, and then the seriousness of the situation becomes awfully real.

    And what Russia and China seek to export is authoritarianism, and that is essentially a consolidation of power and wealth for a small core of elites, with reduced hope of social mobility. If someone wants that in their life over what we have here now, then I say to that person "congratulations, you're a complete idiot."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭jmreire




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭jmreire


    If they are that convinced about the Russian (and other similarly run societies) they should go, and there for a while. Many moons ago pre-EU days, the saying was " If you are unhappy in the Country, you presently live in, go and live in Russia for a while, and when you get back home, you will be a very happy man / women.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Was watching Euronews this morning, Ukrainians on the front line are running low on bullets and quite a few young men who they need to continue the fight are fleeing the country.

    Yes one can argue that Russian men are doing the same but I'd imagine it would affect Ukraine more.


    His American visit doesn't seemed to have changed the minds of Republicians either and you would wonder how much longer the countries in Europe can afford to keep supplying him with weapons and money.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    It's either supply him or supply themselves in a few years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,236 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    I'm not buying this scaremongering that Putin is planning this big invasion of other countries, he knows that if he starts something in a NATO country then then he has to fight powerful enemies like France, the UK and America.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,018 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Buying or not, it's what he and his government have stated repeatedly is their intention



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,421 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    I don't think it will be tanks rolling into Poland like a large invasion.

    It will be more like random fuel depot's catching fire etc.... it will be things that are easily denied by the Kremlin. It will be designed to cause tension and instability within the EU. Maybe try to get what ever country it would be to fire the first shot, so they cannot trigger article 5. I suspect it wouldn't be Poland, but say Moldova.

    If there's little push back from the west, if at this stage the west abandoned Ukraine, well the west is hardly going to stand up for Moldova.

    Just think the little green men in Crimea. Once Putin can deny something and the west or NATO don't want to get into a full scale war, then Putin can go on and on trying to destabilize countries.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,461 ✭✭✭zv2


    Putin has said that Russia has no borders. That's tantamount to a declaration of war whether he is serious about it or not.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Wholesale invasion? Debatable but also something expressed by Kremlin reps and politicians. And Ukraine was a fantasy til it wasn't; foreshadowed by Putin's own writings on "historical Russia". Annexation of russian speakers or presumed (mother)land is always an option - that has been the convenience this time around after all.

    I'll say one thing though: would you wanna take that chance after Kyiv came within days of falling? Poland doesn't; as has any other country with deep prior history with Moscow's proclivity for empire. Finland didn't close its borders just because of bicycling migrants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,058 ✭✭✭✭briany


    The NATO alliance has never actually been tested in a major way, and the reelection of Trump would raise serious doubts about the alliance's stability, because we know where Trump and his acolytes stand on it.

    Putin knows full well that the Russian military would stand less than zero chance against a NATO force in a conventional fight, but his plan is to undermine it by sowing political discord in the constituent countries. A bit like Fred Dibnah felling an old chimney stack - light some well-placed fires at the base, and watch with satisfaction as the whole thing comes crumbling down...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,379 ✭✭✭rolling boh


    The situation seems kind of grim for Ukraine at the moment really wish they could have made some serious breakthrough to show any countries wavering a bit that there is light at the end if the tunnel. Sincerely hope I am wrong but the present what seems like a stalemate situation I think favours Putin .Please tell me I am wrong .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,058 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Not sure how a stalemate favours Putin, exactly. He has himself said that his war aims remain unchanged, so whatever public pronouncements he may make about the tide of war turning, he will be attempting to mask a deep frustration with the situation, and that is that his forces are bogged down on a static front line.

    Russia failed to achieve their aims in the opening phase of the war when rapid advancement was possible and being partially achieved. How does Putin expect to do that now when there are many static defences in place and Russia has never established air control at any point in the war? Where is their ability to advance going to come from and force Ukraine to surrender if not be subsumed completely? Is there any more detailed answer to this question than 'Russia is big. Has many men.'?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Putin's intent was to take Ukraine, so right now the war is a failure. While stalemate only ensured any potential victory becomes more and more Pyrrhic. IIRC they've lost about half the territory they took at the invasion's height, while they're relying on North Korea for ammunition and digging into their mothballed 1950s tanks.

    The stuff in the US will be resolved, cos it's just pantomime. The GOP probably just want more border concessions.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Putin has been at war with the west for many years, but it has been a hidden war. Interference in elections, financing disruptive groups etc. Putin has invested many millions in his undercover wars worldwide..

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,025 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Or this:-

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