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General Star Trek thread

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 36,112 ✭✭✭✭~Rebel~


    It very much seems like which one had the bigger cultural impact, both at the time and since, seems pretty clear... 🤷

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It definitely was not.

    Wars were fought between "equals" and the Asians were never slaves in America. Asians had problems post war which is something Takai was one of the great advocates for but it was a different stigma especially when it came to sexuality where Asian women and black men are sexualised in a way that did not (and still doesn't) happen gender reversed.

    A US man at the time could have had a Japanese, Korean or Vietnamese wife easier than a US born wife who was black.

    I stand by what I said earlier. You are one of those people who looks for outrage and exactly the type of toxic fan who hates the likes of Discovery for the wrong and not right reasons.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Asian people weren't literal property though for half the country, with many still (just about) remembering those days when Trek came out. While the Jim Crow laws were in force up until 1965, MLK dying only 3 years after. George Takei was a great advocate for anti Asian prejudice and was a bit of a forgotten chapter in racism but by and large Asian people in America were afforded possibilities that simply didn't exist for African Americans.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭Evade


    Chinese "workers" in places like California post civil war might disagree on the slavery aspect. They weren't really considered human either since their deaths weren't recorded for things like the Great San Francisco Earthquake in 1906. The anti miscegenation laws in the US also extended to Asians and Native Americans. You're kind of proving the point that people only think African American when the hear of racism in the US.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭Evade


    Not outraged at all by the way. Disagreement isn't outrage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    I knew about everything you just said and knew you would throw it at me.

    People "might disagree" all they want and the Asians, Irish, Italians and South Americans dealt with an awful lot of sht and racism but one doesn't negate the other. No point trying the "only black people bollix with me".

    But your little attempts to negate the plight of blacks in America has been done so many times before and failed so I will bore people here no longer by arguing with such a clearly twisted fan.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,086 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    So, erm Star Trek?

    This too shall pass.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Here, Red Letter Media did a TNG quiz for which I barely got a single answer. Ye can cool off seeing how big of a nerd ye are.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya conversation about racism has no place in a Star Trek forum.

    Gene would have hated it 🤣



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭Evade


    Could you quote where I said African Americans didn't deal with racism? I just put forward that they weren't the only ones and I'm not sure if I've ever brought that up on Boards before.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭Evade




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭Evade


    Those are some hard questions alright. I definitely got less than half and some of those were because of the context provided by the clips.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    This could be relevant: Warner Brothers and Paramount are looking to merge, the former being the bigger fish. Paramount are in financial bother IIRC, and this merger could change the strategy WRT Trek, cos it's probably the most valuable ongoing IP they have?




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭Evade


    I think Blue Bloods might be more valuable, it appeals more to the wealthiest demographic, but that's ending with the next series.


    EDIT: Or maybe NCIS with its million spin-offs?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Paramount have had a few decent hits recently with Yellow Jackets and The Curse.

    Not enough to keep a streaming service going but I can see why Warner might want to pick up the talent and licenses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Popular shoes sure, but in terms of an ongoing IP in the pop culture zeitgeist? Has to be Trek. It appears in Paramount+ marketing a lot and it's front and centre on the service itself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    And Star Trek with it's associated symbols and fashion is far more recognisable than whoever the current NCIS lineup is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I think a BSG alumni was/in it? Though could be mixing up my generic cop shows. I'd also question how well stuff like NCIS travels: Trek is a worldwide, iconic brand while NCIS is network TV filler that would seem to travel less well.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,468 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I'm wondering if this would result in all Trek moving to WB's HBO Max streaming platform. I had HBO Max for a bit, but cancelled when I eventually ran out of stuff to watch & stopped using it, but it was a far more attractive prospect than Paramount+.

    Here in the Nordics, Paramount+ is long gone. It got replaced with "SKY Showtime", which by the branding I guess is something BSkyB cooked up. Wondering if that would also be sucked into HBO Max.

    One could hope that a merger could result in better management of the Trek IP. WB have been flailing about trying to get their own Cinematic Universes going. DC kind of failed for them, they tried to extend the Harry Potter Universe but that went nowhere, but Trek lends itself very well to being an ongoing extended universe.

    The thin sliter of hope I have is that WB wouldn't tolerate bell-ends like Kurtzman arseing about with the IP and that future Trek wouldn't include him for that reason.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,086 ✭✭✭✭flazio


    That would mean a move to Now TV entertainment pass over here as HBO have a long term agreement with Sky to supply their Sky Atlantic channel with content.

    This too shall pass.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Harry Potter you can put at the feet of Rowling, who IIRC still has somewhat absolute control over the cinematic adaptation: Fantastic Beasts was a cóck up of an open goal; what could have been Potter Pokémon and instant success turned into convoluted fanwànk prequel saddled with tedious lore garbage that's symptomatic of most pop culture these days.

    While it seems DC might be finally course correcting into competency with James Gunn at the helm; though say what you will about Zack Synder at least his attempt was a choice, and not the meandering mush that was The Flash and whatnot. Or indeed The Rock's Black Adam.

    Either way, WB doesn't have a great recent track record with its own IPs, so would be a little leery about what they'd want done with Trek. It's funny though cos Paramount has finally established a strong degree of goodwill with Trek, complete with a plate of relatively enjoyed shows; you'd have to imagine WB would simply ask to keep doing SNW or Lower Decks - though with Zaslav in charge, god knows.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭Evade


    The others are prime time TV and we might be more than a little biased towards Star Trek here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Undoubtedly biased but the value of "prime time TV" has diminished over the years and in terms of worldwide marketability, Star Trek is gonna have more sway than Blue Bloods. Doesn't need much proof to show that Pop Culture IPs are hot properties. It's not the giant blockbuster IP Paramount wanted, but in terms of the kind of pop culture IP Warners' would be eyeing up? It's Trek, then possibly Nikolodeon. Trying to think of others Paramount might have...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,953 ✭✭✭Evade


    Taking into account the whole history of Star Trek it does have more reach but only factoring in the last few years of TV sized output I'm not sure if it competes. TV advertisements is still pretty lucrative in the US isn't it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,254 ✭✭✭Inviere


    Yellowjackets had one of the biggest fall offs in writing quality between season 1 and 2 that I can remember. Season 2 was a complete slog from start to finish, so bad that I'm mulling over to even bother with Season 3.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    It's a lot to ask but I hope they go with neither Kurtzmann or overly nostalgic fan ****.

    Would love a Star Trek that can match up to the best of recent sci-fi.

    Reeks of a show that wasn't supposed to be 3 seasons long but was too successful. Very popular though



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Lucrative but shrinking is my understanding: demographics trend older IIRC on network TV (hence the popularity of those kinda shows in the first place), while streaming is where the younger demos reside.

    It's not to say WB wouldn't see NCIS as having value to acquire - but given where pop culture is at the moment, I'd be surprised if Trek wasn't deemed the tastier property to acquire.

    Either way, it's a disturbing reflection of American media that yet another merger is happening - and it will happen if these reports are true. Cos if Disney's digestion of Fox was rubber stamped, there's no hope this one will get pushed back.

    Haven't watched Yellowjackets but man you could fill a book with good once off show ideas / seasons that got forced into 2nd or 3rd seasons and just fell off a cliff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    Ya I'm delighted the creator of Andor said "2 and done" regardless of how popular it has become. Too many show start creating pointless middle seasons to pad out a successful show.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Don't mentioned Andor to me cos I invariably go off and watch all those absolutely fantastic monologues that peppered the show, all over again. Stellan Skarsgård's own was the best piece of writing I'd experienced in the SW franchise.

    I almost resent Andor's quality because it has been such an exceptional TV show it reminds how crap all the rest have been. It singlehandedly renewed by enthusiasm for Star Wars - then Ahsoka stomped that energy into the the ground 🤭



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,599 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    What you need to do is

    Wake up early, wake up early and watch those monologues.



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