The new recycling system

Now you're talking - lots more Green taxes! The more the merrier.

Fingers crossed!

It’s very possible, in fact likely, that the individuals who previously called for it are not the same individuals who are complaining about it now. Boards users are not a monolith. And that’s before you even consider that the specific implementation that the Government have chosen may not be the one that previous advocates wanted.

Snuck is the correct spelling, and no, why would you say that? I'm not aware of what governmental consultations are ongoing at the minute, are you? Does that mean they were snuck in? No, not at all. İf you have time to expend on Boards you have time to visit the website and inform yourself of ongoing consultations, and make submissions where warranted. There's no point complaining after the horse has bolted.

Which stakeholders were those? I glanced through some of the submissions and most seemed broadly in favour.

Proven to work? What evidence do you have for that?

"To date, over 60% of plastic bottles and cans are being collected for recycling through green bins, which means that over 30% are not collected, leading to increased littering."

Where is the harm in trying to increase the amount of bottles and cans recycled?

I don't know if you've ever been outside the country but other places have had this sort of thing in place for years. İt works.

"High-performing deposit return systems for drink containers achieve recovery rates of 90% and above. The latest data from Eunomia on deposit systems in Europe shows recovery (or “redemption”) rates of 84% to 96%, with a median rate of 91%."

So we could be looking at a 15-20% increase in recycling rates for the affected containers, with the concomitant reduction in litter. Again, where is the harm in that?

And equally absurd is to penalise the recycling public with extra charges and work in order to deal with a litter problem.

How?

From an engineering perspective, how? The truck would have to automatically sort as it tips the bin in. Again, how?

It makes sense on paper but thinking about it for anymore then 5 seconds you realise its not realistic.

"To date, over 60% of plastic bottles and cans are being collected for recycling through green bins, which means that over 30% are not collected, leading to increased littering."

There is no figures apparently on bottle and can recycling, so where have re-run got those figures?

But lets say the vast majority of recycling is done through waste companies via the home, which I assume is as near as 100% as you get.

Why in the name of Jaysus would you change the majority method of collection that is proven to work to tackle the minority.

This is being touted as "convenience for all"

That's clearly absolute bollíx. It is the literal opposite of convenience for all.

I don't know if you've ever been outside the country but other places have had this sort of thing in place for years.

Well I have travelled extensively particularly throughout Europe and the one thing you do become aware of quite quickly is the amount of cleaning crews that are constantly on the streets of the cities.

So again if you can explain to me how does dismantling a recycle system that works cure a littering problem? Which this is now being touted as.

What percentage of litter is bottles and cans?

The thing that annoys me is that I can't crush the bottles and cans to save space. They have to be pristine going into the machine.

On the issue of dumping, the bar code will trace it back to the shop where it was bought, CCTV will do the rest and you are now responsible for ensuring you rubbish gets recycled

Is this a píss take?

Even if they did a small problem will be how will they know the person who bought the can dropped it?

Miniature CCTV in the can, cost of this is passed on to the consumer.

İf it was as near to 100% as you can get we wouldn't be instituting the current scheme. Note how glass is not part of it - Rates of recycling there are 84%, similarly, paper/cardboard is at 73%.

Tis great for myself, I used have the bins cause I'd be stuck with cans after burning.

Now I can burn all my paper, plastic etc and take the cans to the machine in the shop. Only thing to figure is the tins for dog/cat food and the beans

So incredibly bad ass

I'm pretty sure if you went back before the plastic bag tax you'd have these exact arguments that it doesn't work. But that is a massive success.

I live in the Netherlands and this year they introduced this for cans after years of having it for bottles.

It has also been a success. There is definitely less cans around as litter. If you were the type to recycle before then you aren't the target of this. People who would buy a can when out and then throw it in a bin or on the street are the target. They now tend to hold onto it until they are in a shop again. Or they throw it on the street and someone else picks it up and returns it. Either way it's less trash and more recycled.

Saying that when you have your shopping delivered they also have to take back cans and bottles.

We have a small bottle extra bin beside the recycling at home that these go into and returned when we go to a shop. It's never a huge amount so space required is minimal.

Its another thing that after it's brought in that becomes so normal that you wonder why it wasn't brought in years earlier. The same as the plastic bag tax.

I'm pretty sure if you went back before the plastic bag tax you'd have these exact arguments that it doesn't work.

If the plastic bag tax was introduced as a scheme to replace a scheme that already worked to try solve another problem that we don't actually know is a problem you may have a point.

But the thing about the plastic bag tax is there is an opt out.

There is no opt out here. In fact you have to opt out of a process that was convenient, simple and worked and opt into a scheme that is the literal definition of inconvenient, expensive and even with the best will in the world will not run as efficiently as the scheme it has replaced.