Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

Would there be a different tune coming from Government if areas like D4, mount merrion etc were having Refugees/asylum seekers housed there?

But we have proof they're coming into poverty. They're coming in completely dependent on SW. Some of whom don't speak English.

You're not contributing in good faith and you know it or maybe you don't realise because you're so deluded.

Either way we're never going to see eye to eye so I'll leave it there.

But can they do that with any credibility though, given they have been a consistently immigrant/refugee-friendly party for over 20 years? If they made any substantial moves in that direction they would be absolutely crucified by the other left parties who are watching them like hawks for any derogation from 'woke' orthodoxy. I think the most you guys can hope for from SF is a slight change of tone, a bit of dog-whistling to their backwoods supporters but essentially full steam ahead with current policies if and when they get into government. If you think that's enough to earn them your vote that's your own call...

But immigration largely is controlled. In the case of work and student visas for non EU citizens for example, the Irish government decides who receives them and how many are issued. It's not as if some outside agency is forcing us to issue the visas.

And the likes of people like your good self, who support Israeli brutality.. would seek to drive them from their home countries to ours. Much skin in the game?

And yet it's not

I don't support brutality at all.

No skin in the game. Paranoid much?

Back in April it was costing 30 million a week to pay for Ukrainians in hotels n bnb's.

That number doesn't include asylum seekers in hotels, direct provision etc.

numbers have grown since and I doubt hoteliers renewing contracts have been slow to put the boot in. Probably closer to 60 mil a week now for accommodation alone.

Anyone take a stab at what 100k + Ukrainians and asylum seekers are costing a year?

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-41112766.html

I'm talking about immigration to Ireland, not the refugee / asylum situation. We are totally in control of our own immigration laws and how many work and student visas are issued by the state every year.

I don't disagree with anyone discussing immigration policy, I point out lies and hyperbole. I believe in facts, truth and the law.

I believe the current immigration legislation that this country implement is a good policy.

I personally believe that we should have some even stricter policies in place here, every person coming into the country should be required to register their name and address with identification within a few weeks of coming here to live.

I'm not quite sure what you're asking here;

At the extreme, if someone committed a crime in another country should they be penalized for it on entering Ireland or allowed to evade the law?

Ireland is part of the Schengen Information System, which is the system for sharing information for border management in Europe. Wanted people who present at the border will cause an alert.

I don't believe we have jurisdiction to penalise people for crimes committed elsewhere. I don't believe people should be allowed to evade the law.

I think the Taoiseach ( or whichever of his advisors told him to) said what he did because he wants to keep his job. He sees that his government is not being blamed for all the wrongs, and that people are blaming immigrants instead.

very easy for him to jump on that bandwagon now, ingratiate himself to anti immigration voters, while getting away Scott free with his government's failures to provide proper services.

So that's a big no then, see it's the constant gaslighting on this issue that is getting everyone upset. I don't blame the immigrants and I think the vast majority don't either. I think the vast majority see the system being gamed and are getting fed up of Cairns, O'Gorman and others telling them they're far right for pointing out the system is being abused. I mean if you cannot admit that a man lived in a free house for 10 years with 24 of his family and worked a few weeks upon entering the country before claiming disability isn't morally repugnant then your are not arguing in good faith. I know we've plenty of our own mooches at the same craic and that's not right either, but inviting in 1000's of others here to go at the same game isn't sustainable either.

So you see him as being a disingenuous character?

That's interesting. He is the head of the government, and you now view him as a disingenuous character. So you also agree his government and party is also disingenuous, right?

Welcome to the club who have known that has been the case for the last decade.

What else do you now realise he and they have been disingenuous about? Immigration?

I wouldn't suggest it is far right no.

It limits asylum seekers only. So your issue is entirely with asylum seekers, no other immigrants? What limit would you suggest?

There were 13,000 approx in 2022, I don't know how many this year.

Also, housing is a supply issue. I'm not sure why you think financially well off people are unaffected by immigration? Immigrants to this country are at all levels of wealth.