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Immigration to Ireland - policies, challenges, and solutions *Read OP before posting*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    Don't forget far right also. Clearly anyone who questions the current policy of unrestricted immigration which is now seeing arrivals handed a sleeping bag and a few extra euro and told to sleep on the streets is a conspiracy nutter.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    But the usual suspects couldn't give a flying fig about the Irish homeless. Caring about the poor and the 'left behind' don't exactly sound like things they would be into.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,193 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Depending on what exactly your concerns are, far more likely that they will tell you whatever they think you want to hear and then never give you a second thought. Politicians.

    Yes that's what will happen, unless the poster can cite a candidate with a siginificantly different immigration policy to threaten to move their vote to. Otherwise the canvasser will likely conclude the poster would end up voting for whoever they were going to vote for anyway irrespective of the immigration issue, so there's no real incentive for them to push for a policy change within their party.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Don't be ridiculous. Most reasonable people don't expect other people to have to sleep on the streets.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 551 ✭✭✭freebritney


    What's your solution so? You consistantly say we are obligated to take anyone who arrives here even though it's clear we simply don't have any where to put them. Now i'm not blaimng immigrants for the lack of housing, that's all on the government. Where most reasonable people differ from you though is when the bath is overflowing the smartest thing to do is turn off the taps first then work on fixing the blockage.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    If there is no where from them to go there is little or no choice, they should be turned around at Dublin airport



  • Posts: 3,280 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Even without a housing crisis it would be completely unreasonable and dangerous to demand that we accommodate and provide money and services to an endless influx of people who decide to destroy their passports and claim asylum here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Who's in power in Denmark? The Liberals, Social Democrats and the Moderates.

    Such a cabal of far right policies right there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    Took a look at Sweden and wanted none of it. Fair play to them, we are going to end up exactly like Sweden did as our idiots here are literally following the playbook.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,862 ✭✭✭Real Donald Trump


    Speaking of Sweden I came across this article from yesterday, very interesting read.




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,046 ✭✭✭✭Strazdas


    I don't think Sweden is at all comparable to Ireland. They seem to have large numbers of ethnic minority ghettos and accompanying ghetto / gang related violence. There's practically nothing like that here (i.e. the Swedes appear to have made a total hames of managing things).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,315 ✭✭✭InAtFullBack


    Sure, the Irish government outshine the Swedish government in every aspect especially health, housing, education... and next multiculturalism!

    The only things the Irish government have ever been good at was stealth taxes and making a hames of everything else.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,201 ✭✭✭Gen.Zhukov


    Doc on C4 last week on this - Now, it is C4 so it's not going in too hard but an interesting watch all the same

    Easy enough to sign up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,604 ✭✭✭batman_oh


    We are taking in asylum seekers that will be homeless and are putting lots in places like ballymun, the north inner city or in random villages that can't support them. Sounds similar. Plus the whole it's far right if you question it which is exactly what Sweden did for years



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,528 ✭✭✭1800_Ladladlad


    Was thinking about Varadkar asking people in the Dail to try and avoid connecting crime with migration and then Aodhán O’Ríordáin today in the dail near screaming that there is no connection between immigration and crime. Data from other EU countries prove there is.

    Data from Denmark show that since 2015, their share of immigrants from non-EU countries, excluding their second-generation Danish-born descendants, has risen from around 5% to 6%. Yet from 2015 to 2019 non-EU nationals have accounted for around 11% of convictions for sex offences and 34% of convictions for rape. The number of both charges and convictions for rape exploded between 2012 and 2020. Non-EU nationals in 2020 were responsible for 1 in 4 of the 987 rape convictions, over twice the number of charges from 2012. More than half of the inmates in the prisons and detention centers are immigrants, descendants of foreign nationals. For comparison, the Polish were the largest immigrant group in Denmark, and Syrians were the second. Yet Syrians have been convicted of rape nine times more often than Poles. The following year, foreign nationals were drastically overrepresented in the number of rape convictions. Near 25% of all rapes were committed by foreign nationals.

    There's no connection......

    "….they will make a fire with your beautiful oak door."



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Why be arsed?, they'll all be coming around begging for a vote soon and it's the best place and time to tell them to f**k off because of their immigration policy.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,553 ✭✭✭lmimmfn


    Ahh Roderic, the man of a 1000 welcomes and promising to use tax payers money to house the world. What could go wrong?

    Fool, more incompetent than McEnter and that's a challenge.

    Ignoring idiots who comment "far right" because they don't even know what it means



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Sweden are much further down the road. They started their self destruction in the 80s because they were one of the richest countries around. We were still pi$$ poor so nobody wanted to come here.

    There are already minority ghettos in parts of west tallaght and blanchardstown and I'm sure plenty of others I'm unaware of.

    They'll get worse. To think we'll see any different outcome than other countries is bizzare logic.

    You're either painfully naive or blinded by ideology to the point of stupidity.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Jobstown, Tyrellstown, Balbriggan and more will be ghettoes in the years to come.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Id argue jobstown is a ghetto but there are very obvious pockets/estates within jobstown and surrounding areas that are now minority ghettos.

    As I've said before on here. Humans are a homogeneous species. We all do the same things regardless of colour or creed.

    Migrants do not integrate. They group.

    So naturally you get ghettos no longer just defined by poverty but you get a race divide.

    So you kindle to the fire. Its lunacy and we have real world examples all around us of it not working but yet we continue.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    What threat will a far right party actually bring to the county.

    I certainly don't want a far right party, I would like a centre party who implement common sense policies.

    We know from other countries what far our current policies are going to bring, we already have had beheading, kids getting stabbed and record homelessness.

    We will have terror attacks, increased sexual assaults, ghettos, and gang and gun violence based on what we see in other countries.

    That to me is frightening.

    I am told to be afraid of the far right gaining popularity, but what exactly can they do that is worse than what we are walking into with current policies.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    There are small ghettos being established. Poor socio economic areas, which we have seen here for years with our own living in them.

    The answer is not to dump people, establish language classes and 'civics' classes (that's what they were called when I was at school, called something else now)

    Not difficult to sort out.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    We would never in ireland see men being decapitated for being gay or kids being stabbed outside school.

    No, we just bet those gays to death. Plenty of children stabbed and horribly murdered. Usually by their own relations.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Nothing like here yet..

    But we're heading that direction



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    I see Sinn Fein are now starting to sound mildly reasonable on immigration in the Dail.

    Tide is hopefully starting to turn now. Who knows maybe we can buck the trend here in Ireland and actually be mature enough to find a central logical.line without the need for a rise in fringe far right party.

    I won't hold my breath but it's something to be positive about.



  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    The poorest countries in the world are developing countries.

    Countries with the lowest rates of poverty are developed countries, such as Ireland

    Ireland not far behind with our low poverty rates.

    There are solutions to poverty, a big one is education.

    The World Alliance of Cities Against Poverty (WACAP) highlighted three simple steps that Ireland could take to reduce poverty. These steps included increasing accessibility to education, eliminating violence and encouraging innovation and realization of potential.

    I'm not going to do any more for you, as you seem to be happy enough to belittle anyone's suggestions and give none yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭PokeHerKing


    Id love to know what your point even is?

    Poverty exists everywhere and on different scales, Jesus stop the presses. I'm so glad you've googled that one for me.

    Ireland has been an extremely wealthy country for decades and still has large swathes of indigionously poor people.

    So there's not much hope of us wiping out poverty while simultaneously importing massive additional poverty now is there?

    Dragging I'd ask, what exactly is your point?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,911 ✭✭✭Patrick2010


    Refugees/asylum seekers will continue to be housed in poor socio economic areas for the simple reason much of the housing is controlled by councils. Government has no access to private housing in well off areas like D4, mount merrion etc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,843 ✭✭✭Backstreet Moyes


    Well I mean they are losing popularity going by recent polls.

    They were basically a shoe in to get into goverment until immigration became a talking point.

    I mean the vast majority of the country going by recent polls and my personal experience are fed up and think something needs to change.

    Basically if they change their tune to what the majority of the country think then they will gain a lot more votes.

    Not that I would believe they will actually do anything if they got into government.



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  • Site Banned Posts: 12,921 ✭✭✭✭suvigirl


    Refugees and asylum seekers are being housed all over the country, thankfully, making ghettos in poor socio economic areas far less likely.

    And they will go, not like a lot of Irish people who have very little interest in leaving their areas.

    Also, no reason to think refugees are poor.



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