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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    So do you believe the BBC report about the general or not?


    Either way, I'll still trust BBC or Guardian reporting over random people on Twitter, as so often they've been proved wrong.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,266 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec



    Didn't a lot of them get bumped off after the Russian army got trounced after attacking Finland?

    I think even now, that the Russian generals only get to be generals depending on their support of the regime, and that military skill doesn't really come into it. They occasionally get lucky and accidentally promote someone with the necessary skill. 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Ah sure, they'll find out themselves anyway.....😎



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,964 ✭✭✭jmreire


    No, Russian lost that 2nd best military in the world big time when they failed in Ukraine. But in terms of manpower and equipment, they really outrank Ukraine. Where they lose to Ukraine though is in the quality of that manpower, and in the equipment and logistics stakes, Russian corruption levels the playing fields. But strictly speaking and on paper, Zelenski is right.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning



    President Alain Berset pledged more support for Ukraine during a visit to the country last month and discussed using the profits of frozen Russian assets to help rebuild the country.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 969 ✭✭✭Glenomra


    [from today's Telegraph,generally one of ukraine's most steadfast supporters in the media'] Ukraine’s counter-offensive did not achieve its “desired results”, Volodymr Zelensky has admitted.  The Ukrainian president said: “We wanted faster results. From that perspective, unfortunately, we did not achieve the desired results. And this is a fact.” He added that Ukraine did not obtain all the weapons it needed from its allies, and that limits on the size of its military halted a quick advance. “There is not enough power to achieve the desired results faster. But this does not mean that we should give up, that we have to surrender,” he said. “We are confident in our actions. We fight for what is ours.” He also admitted that “only the blind” could fail to see the consequences of international attention shifting because of the conflict in the Middle East, adding that Ukraine had to “fight for attention”.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭Homelander


    The were bumped off in the huge purges during the 1930's which were a reactionary and radically over the top move to what was a very real plot against Stalin.

    The extent of the purge was absolutely horrific though, lots of high-ranking leadership levels were virtually annihilated, some up to 80 or 90 percent.

    The result of that was what happened in the Winter War, and then later in 1941 when Soviet defence catastrophically collapsed. If the USSR wasn't so geographically vast, they would have lost the war in those first few months.

    But they were in a far better state in 1941 than they were in 1940 even, there was reorganisation and extensive re-equip efforts ongoing. The Germans were shocked and dismayed to discover that the Soviets actually had radically superior tanks and small arms in many cases. Eg they had T34's and KV-1s which were basically invulnerable to the main German tanks.

    What's happening in Ukraine is not, maybe, as surprising as it should have been because we saw it in Georgia before. David and Goliath, but Russia was also unable to assert any level of convincing battlefield superiority save for pure quantity. But unlike the Winter War and costly lessons of 1941, nothing seemed to change within the Russian armed forces since then.

    It is not unlike what happened in France in 1940 and USSR in 1941. These huge armies with advanced/modern/superior equipment, but complete inability to effectively deploy them, and the Germans overran them with sheer tactical/strategic excellence.

    Even if Russian leadership improved massively and abruptly, I doubt they have the resources left to actually make any more progress of any major consequence. It seems now to be about wearing down Ukraine and outlasting Western support to bring something that at least resembles a favorable peace.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp


    so does that make the Summer offensive hark back to the battle of Kursk? an attack telegraphed months in advance giving time for the Russians to prepare defences to bog down the opposition, the Leopard 2 being the touted wonderwaffe like the Tiger was for that battle. The Russians have also shown the ability to adapt this time round too and bring lots of weapons into play they didnt have 18 months ago?

    Kursk was the strategic end for Germany and the Summer offensive looks like the strategic end for Ukraine.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    What weapons Russians brought into play? Ww2 era tanks and artillery??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭Homelander


    I'm not sure I agree with the sentiment there.

    Kursk was the end of Germany's ability to not only launch major summer offensives, but crucially also resist offensives from the Red Army. It did (largely) maintain operational excellence and remained capable of inflicting defeats on the Red Army, but no amount of tactical/strategic ability could overcome the overwhelming numerical superiority they faced.

    After Kursk the front line was continuously moving westward, with multiple large scale offensives on multiple axis, Germany had precisely zero hope of stemming that tide and suffered catastrophic defeat after catastrophic defeat in the wider scheme of things.

    They had no way to replace the equipment, manpower and fuel lost while the Soviet's could replace all those things with relative ease.

    Ukraine may not be capable of launching another big offensive, but their ability to effectively defend appears relatively intact and I'm not sure I can see Russia launching a major war-winning offensive on any single front let alone multiple fronts anytime soon either.

    Ukraine hasn't suffered a catastrophic defeat just because the offensive didn't achieve a breakthrough.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,283 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Yeah Ukraine didn't throw endless storm battalions at the offensive like Russia does in Avdiivka and did in Bakhmut.

    They're also suffering high rates of losses trying to hold the Kherson front.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    But at the same time they are slowly gaining ground in Ukraine, especially in Avdiivka which was considered unthinkable by some only very recently and now it's back to that's Russian propaganda



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Do you have an ETA for when your Hilux will reach and capture the infamous slag heap?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They the Russians are inside of Avdiivka since last week,

    At least try to keep up with what is actually going on in Ukraine



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning


    Do you have evidence for this? We only accept BBC articles on this thread according to @rogber



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Addmagnet



    "... his location is unclear."

    He's just over there ... and over there ... and waaaay over there!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,183 ✭✭✭Addmagnet



    So the fault lies with whatever organisation sets the rule that refusal to fight in these circumstances is a loss.

    But that still doesn't mean that the individual boxer gets a free pass on having morals and ethics, whatever their "professional" body says.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,567 ✭✭✭rogber


    No, there's folk like yourself who will take any tweet they can find as long it backs up their view, and anything that doesn't back up their view is simply labelled "Russian propaganda".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,612 ✭✭✭Rawr


    Might be in reference to a small industrial lot the Russian’s advanced into by way of tunnel:

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    It’s an advance for the Russians for sure, but it’s more than a little charitable to discribe this as bring inside Avdiika. Inside suggests that they’ve entered the city proper, when what they’ve really done is advance a few meters down the road from a motorway junction they’ve been stuck at since 2014.

    Apparently for their trouble a good few of those Russians were also treated to an artillary strike right on their position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 838 ✭✭✭I.am.Putins.raging.bile.duct


    Just need to pick on the myth of the initial shock of the T-34 being invunerable. They lost 2300 of the 2800 produced in 1941.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,124 ✭✭✭Mike3549


    If you look at how much of avdiivka is under russian control, and at the same time look at bakhmut, then its safe to say ukrainians are still in bakhmut and it hasn't fallen just yet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,855 ✭✭✭✭Timberrrrrrrr


    Ukraine claim they are behind explosion on Russian railway near Mongolia





  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,854 ✭✭✭✭silverharp



    I dont remember Russia having much drone tech at the start , they seem to have a full full suite of FPV & night vision versions, surveillance and their Lancet type drones now, literally one of the most interesting angles to this whole war from both sides, your sarcasm seems misplaced?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 843 ✭✭✭m2_browning




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 ✭✭thereitisgone


    Are all Russian air defense so useless at defending themselves against air attacks

    Its amazing how many these days are getting destroyed

    What is the point of the Russians even putting these in place, its like , childish nonsense




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,327 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I think any "Russian" improvements you are impressed with could represent Iran's technology (and maybe China's as well, that wouldn't shock me in the slightest).

    The Shaheds are of course from Iran, think they have gotten other kinds of drones off Iran too.

    Since Russia is going to be or already is building these itself, it has involved full technology transfer which (I imagine) can be applied to Russia's own drones.

    Unfortunately the sanctions have not worked as well as hoped (?) to stop the access to low level dual use type components that they need for weapons. They seem to be able to buy stuff like this made by Western companies (via Turkey, some neighbouring countries, China etc.), acc. to reports by Ukraine of the parts that crop up in their newly made missiles and drones etc.

    Even if there is a large mark up, they presumably have the money for it when Putin is dumping an obscene amount of the national earnings into prosecuting his war (edit: 30 % of GDP according to themselves, so could be even more).




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,768 ✭✭✭Homelander


    Sure. I didn't mean they were literally invulnerable, but the Germans had to overcome them using direct artillery fire and superior tactical direction of their tanks.

    The likes of a Panzer III was no match for a T34, on a pure tank v tank basis. This is what seriously shocked the Germans, as they expected the more obsolete BT's and T26 tanks. The Germans had no tanks whatsoever in 1941 remotely on-par with T34. It was 1942 before they had tanks comparable.

    The French also had many better tanks then the Germans in 1939 and 1940 and we saw how that worked out, again due to extremely inferior doctrine and tactical ability, not the inherent quality of the weapons.

    The actual point is that Germany achieved as much as it did due to incredibly advanced training and tactical leadership and extremely effective command and control operations. Other countries had weapons, tanks, planes just as good and/or better than Germany possessed.

    The T34 was light years better than German tanks in 1941. It didn't really matter because Soviet leadership was so weak that they suffered continuous massive encirclements, poor offensives and just generally major deficits in command and control.

    The Red Army massively improved in short order after the shocking defeats and from 1943 in particular.

    This goes back to Russia and Ukraine. Russia had what it needed to quickly defeat Ukraine in conventional war, whatever about what would happen next. If it was working as it should have been, or to some degree of that, Ukraine should have been overwhelmed and essentially paralysed very quickly.

    The fact the invasion struggled and floundered as badly as it did, even before western weapons arrived in significant quantities, shows that the Russian armed forces have serious, crippling and ongoing problems with training and leadership, as well as logistics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Like everyone else they cottoned on to how cheap and quickly you can produce drones from quad copters which can be bought for a few euros to the lancet and bigger surveillance and reconnaissance type drones , unlike aircraft they don't need years of testing and eventually launching, people have been building drones and flying drones since the early 2000s they aren't exactly overly complicated , as long as you can get the lipo batteries and motors you can build quads by the boatload in a relatively short period



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