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General Rugby Discussion 3

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    so the whole end of an era thing they did after the 3rd test in 2021 was a bit premature?



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    In fairness as far as they knew at that time that was the end of their involvement with rugby union, Sanzaar aside (and all they do for that these days is take the host broadcaster coverage). They had let their entire rugby team go not long before after they lost the England AI rights and had to basically reassemble them (which they did a good job of doing, with some omissions). I guess they’ll have to do something similar in 2025.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    i get that. and in fairness i thought the 2021 was pretty good overall, im just surprised they went for the rights for the 2025 tour tbh since, as you said, they seem to have less and less interest in union these days



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,997 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Aren't some rugby rights up for grabs soon?

    The Premiership and also there are doubts about Viaplay and the URC. Personally I'd love to see Sky back into rugby, but it doesn't seem to be a priority for them.

    Maybe a coincidence but the downfall of the Premiership seemed to begin when the rights went to BT. There's probably no connection but it just seemed better during the Sky days, as did Europe. Probably just nostalgia on my part.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 12,315 Mod ✭✭✭✭icdg


    The EPCR and PRL rights are both up at the end of this season.

    The URC deal has another year to run (to end 24-25) but Viaplay have declared their intention to pull out of the UK market (despite only having entered a year ago) so they may well be handing back those rights early.

    Rumour had it that the three competitions were going to pool their rights but since then there’s been other reports that PRL is looking to renew with TNT.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,997 ✭✭✭✭bilston


    Surely the PRL should put the rights out for tender. If they just look to renew with TNT then are they not denying themselves a bidding process that might see the rights pushed a bit higher?



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Portugal set to play England A in week 3 of the 2024 Six Nations; ostensibly for England to blood some depth and it's good to see nations bring back the A sides ... but this is precisely the kind of exposure that'll help the likes of Portugal get game minutes against a higher caliber.

    Now if the Tbilisi Cup or similar could be resorted or established ...




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,859 ✭✭✭✭phog


    We (Ireland) should go back to having "A" games during the international window



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,859 ✭✭✭✭phog




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,708 ✭✭✭ScissorPaperRock


    Irish Times reporting that there's talk of a club 'world cup' beginning in 2028. My initial reaction is that it would be pretty cool to see European sides come up against the NZ franchises.

    https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/rugby/2023/11/08/club-world-cup-in-rugby-could-take-place-in-2028/



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,808 ✭✭✭✭Red Silurian


    The 42 are reporting that the second half of Champions Cup games would be used as a club world cup with the 1st half of games being a pool stage for European clubs. No word on pool stages for Super Rugby or Japanese clubs. So effectively there would be no EPCR knockouts that year



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,790 ✭✭✭✭Burkie1203


    Always thought stuart hogg was a full back, turns out he really belongs on the middle of the front row !!!



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Blair Kinghorn off to Toulouse next month to replace Jaminet



  • Posts: 0 Roy Enough Twit


    Bizarre move - Jaminet is leaving because of a lack of game time given they have Ramos, Capuozzo and Mallia as full backs.

    Maybe they see him as a 10, but he's never looked too convincing playing there IMO.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Either he or Ramos will probably play 10 in the short term, Capuozzo plays wing mostly.

    I would have thought a 9 was more urgent though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,513 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I see there are rumours around the TV coverage of the 6 nations and this new World league. The Times are reporting coverage 'might' be going behind a pay wall. Obviously depending on how much it is valued in cash terms to the broadcasters.



  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 10,794 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatInABox


    Hopefully that's just the UK rights and RTE/VM can continue with the Irish rights.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 29,573 Mod ✭✭✭✭Podge_irl


    Hopefully it's nothing! You'd think anyone with a brain would see what happened with Cricket in the UK after it went behind a paywall.

    The 6N occupies a slot in the calendar with a level of coverage that pretty much every other sport on the planet would die for. This would be monumentally stupid.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,486 ✭✭✭Dave_The_Sheep


    This would be monumentally stupid.

    So it's pretty much guaranteed huh?



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,743 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Is the Six Nations not one of the "Designated events" that can't be removed from Terrestrial TV in the UK ??

    **Actually - According to this , it can be on Pay TV but only if delayed broadcast and highlights are FTA.



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  • Administrators Posts: 55,046 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭awec


    The Six nations isn't protected in Ireland either, the only rugby games that are are Ireland games at the RWC.

    But I am fairly sure if there was a genuine chance of them going behind a paywall the government of the day would protect them fairly hastily. They were going to do it before except the rights ended up staying FTA anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,009 ✭✭✭ersatz


    I would have thought the same about GAA but I didn't happen, afaik.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,483 ✭✭✭sprucemoose


    rumours over here that Toronto Arrows are ceasing operations, though nothing official yet. not a good sign for the MLR if yet another team is gone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,513 ✭✭✭OldRio


    I see Owen Farrell has stepped down from International Rugby. He mentions prioritising his and his family's mental health.

    Some things are much more important than sport. Good luck to the guy.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Nice lad by all accounts but a little ironic that, having multiple bans for head high tackles, he's prioritising his mental health.

    Super player & competitor, but a poor role model for discipline.



  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 36,051 Mod ✭✭✭✭pickarooney


    Not seeing the irony at all, to be honest



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,743 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Seems like he's "stepping away" rather than "stepping down" as it were.

    Going to sit out the 6N's this year and then potentially return at a later date.

    Even though he's relatively young , he's been at the highest level since he was 19/20 years old so not surprised he's feeling a bit burnt out.

    Hopefully the extra free time does him good.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,362 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    During the Eng SA semi they showed a replay of Farrells reaction to a grubber he put through, if memory serves it hit a SA player before going into touch in the SA 22. He roared intensely like they had scored the match winning try with the clock in the red. I remember thinking that this "celebrating the small wins" thing that England have going on can't be good for your mental health. It seems to be thing with that English squad, commentators mentioned it at least once during the WC. Ben Earl is obviously a big exponent of it.

    A game is already a rollcoaster of emotions without getting carried away with luckily winning a line out in the opposition 22. It must be extremely difficult getting so excited about small wins only to ultimately lose the game. I thought sports psychology was all about staying as calm and emotionally stable as possible, not expending emotional energy on something which has already happened, etc. With getting a line out with good field position, the focus should immediately but on the next play, selecting your play and then executing that.

    Also, there's the whole troughs being as low as your peaks are high idea, so if you get overly excited about something going your way, do you get crushed when something goes against you? I wondered to myself at the time about the psychological prep they were getting and if "celebrating the small wins" was a tactic for them.

    Not saying this is why Farrell is "stepping away" from International Rugby, just some thoughts I had at the time which seem a little more relevant now. He might just be a bit jaded after giving so much to rugby for so long and want to spend more time with his young family and less in international camp.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,513 ✭✭✭OldRio




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,265 ✭✭✭Ben Bailey


    Excellent post.

    Also interesting that he'll continue with Sarries as normal. So it's a break from the England camp & all it's involvements that he prefers.



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