Garda ticketing cars in tesco car park

Whocare · 20-11-2023 10:36PM #1

Looks like garda in monaghan are enforcing Disable parking spaces in tesco car park 😳. Though private car park is out of there Jurisdiction ?

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Seth Brundle · 20-11-2023 10:45PM

Fair play to them - too many lazy assholes out there who couldn't be arsed walking an extra few metres.

Private car parks such as Tescos would still be a public place.

mk7r · 20-11-2023 10:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058323508/garda-ticketing-cars-in-tesco-car-park

Anywhere the public would have normal access to like a carpark is within their jurisdiction. Private gated property is not

Strumms · 20-11-2023 10:53PM

i wouldn’t imagine so… otherwise you might have a local shopping centre legally set a speed limit of 140 kph in their car park…

the legislation applies on private land..apparently, lots of other laws applicable on private land.

Miscreant · 21-11-2023 11:10AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058323508/garda-ticketing-cars-in-tesco-car-park

This used to happen regularly in Liffey Valley car park as the disabled spots there were constantly being taken up by people "waiting" for someone. Would stop the practice for a few weeks and then it would go back to the same old story until the Gardai came in and ticketed again.

Like with all laws, they are useless unless they are enforced.

Del2005 · 21-11-2023 11:34AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058323508/garda-ticketing-cars-in-tesco-car-park

A car park is a public place under road traffic legislation. The only thing that they can't do you for is tax and maybe exceeding the speed limit, speed limits that low don't exist legally. But every other piece of traffic legislation applies.

GavPJ · 21-11-2023 11:37AM

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Proper order. Anyone found doing this should be hit with a massive fine and given community service in

the National Rehabilitation Hospital in Dun Laoghaire. They would think twice about doing it again.

21-11-2023 11:38AM

Good, they should be towing anyone who abuses a disability space!

But, I didn't think they could do that in private car parks.

I have had words with a manager in Lidl who authorised the disability spots being used for builders' skips while work was being done.

He said they could do what they liked as long as it was on their property.

pgj2015 · 21-11-2023 12:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395107#Comment_121395107

You should have put up a post about that on the lidl Facebook page and shamed them over it. Companies like that hate publicity like that. Or go on joe Duffy and tell him about it.

Fair play to the Guards who finally gave tickets for this.

Tefral · 21-11-2023 12:20PM

Perfectly legal under the road traffic act. Under the Act a Public Place is defined as follows:

“public place” means any street, road or other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

21-11-2023 12:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395269#Comment_121395269

The wild thing is this was actually the branch in Tallaght Village, beside Lidl's corporate head office!

creedp · 21-11-2023 12:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395316#Comment_121395316

What can Lidl actually do? Effect a citizen arrest? My local Lidl has probably disabled 10 spaces and Ive never seen more than 3 or 4 occupied. One of my bug bears is the fit and healthy driver taking advantage of a family member's disability and parking beside the shop door. They, more than anyone, shoulds know better. Human nature, all about No1.

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celt262 · 21-11-2023 01:25PM

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Why? they can do what they want on their own property if they decided tonight they were putting trolley bays in 3 disabled spots would you ring Joe Duffy?

pgj2015 · 21-11-2023 01:27PM

Obviously, yes I would and so would lots of other people.

monkeybutter · 21-11-2023 01:31PM

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should the owners be taken outside and shot?

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21-11-2023 01:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395352#Comment_121395352

Well, one thing they could have done, was not allow the builders to put their skips in the disability spots in the first place, when there were plenty of other spots available mere feet away. It's a big enough carpark. There are two disability spots beside the entrance to the store, then a couple of parent and child spaces beside those. and another two over the other side of the car park.

But sure we shouldn't expect the builders to have to walk a few feet.

You should never assume "fit and healthy" looking drivers are not themselves qualified for a disability parking permit.

Not all disabilities are visible.

Just because the symbol on the parking space is a wheelchair, doesn't mean the driver has to be wheelchair bound to qualify for a permit.

Del2005 · 21-11-2023 01:44PM

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What can Lidl do? Call the Gardai to get the car ticketed.

If we had proper laws they could impound it, as tickets or clamps don't help the people who need to use disabled parking places.

21-11-2023 02:28PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394977#Comment_121394977

This I would actually question (not you, the gardai) as someone who is driving a blue badge holder somewhere, or collecting a blue badge holder can legally wait for the blue badge holder in a disability parking spot, as long as the blue badge is displayed.

creedp · 21-11-2023 02:42PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395641#Comment_121395641

Agree disabled spaces should not have been used by builders. IMHO disabled spaces are provided to ensure that physically impaired people can independently go about their lives. I think its a reasonable assumption that a chap who can hop out of a car and sprint across a car park to ensure he doesnt get wet is not suffering from a physical impaoent of sufficient severity requiring a blue badge.

easygoing39 · 21-11-2023 02:42PM

Can I ask what other disabilities qualifies a driver for a blue badge other than being in a wheelchair?

patmahe · 21-11-2023 03:13PM

Good on them, my Father got cancer a while back and has unfortunately passed away since, the parking badge he got enabled him to stay independent for that little bit longer and he always loved driving so did it until near the end. I don't care if you are only going to be a minute, for God's sake just leave the disabled spaces clear, people do use them and do genuinely need them. If you have your health and the use of your legs be glad you do and walk the extra 20 feet.

Mefistofelino · 21-11-2023 03:13PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395906#Comment_121395906

Any permanent condition or disability that restricts their ability to walk - respiratory or cardiac problems, blindness (the pass is for qualifying drivers or passengers), acute arthritis...

https://www.ddai.ie/eligibilitywizard?utm_campaign=eligibilitywizard&utm_source=whoqualifies&utm_medium=bigbutton

The criteria for tax relief (VRT, VAT, motor tax, fuel duty) are much more stringent

Strumms · 21-11-2023 03:27PM

The ‘permanent’ condition part to the regs is bs to be fair, a real head scratcher... it should be defined as a ‘long term condition’…People with brain injuries / nerve disorders can take years to fully recover their mobility… yet while the condition isn’t permanent the requirement for accessible parking will be long term, years basically…. So permanent is a bit of a dumb oversight….

21-11-2023 03:30PM

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Unless he was collecting someone.

There was a post on another thread, recently, from a lady who used to drive her father who had severe emphysema who often was caught in circumstances like that.

I can't really blame you for making that assumption, I'm just saying it isn't always as it looks.

creedp · 21-11-2023 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396313#Comment_121396313

Methinks your assumption that he is on the level is subject to the same scrutiny as mine thinking he's not

21-11-2023 03:49PM

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Well, I am one of those blue badge holders who is not visibily disabled (yet).

So I guess it comes from my knowing that many people don't know all the ins and outs of the disability badge and often assume that someone needs to be wheelchair bound, or visibily strugging to walk, to qualify for one.

GavPJ · 21-11-2023 04:22PM

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Diabetes. Our youngest daughter has it and we are entitled to have a blue badge on each car and are allowed to

park in disabled parking places. We never bothered applying for it though as there are people out there who need

the badges/parking spaces more.

21-11-2023 04:24PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396286#Comment_121396286

There are three boxes on the eligibilty test:

Requires medical or surgical intervention for less than 12 months
Requires medical or surgical intervention for more than 12 months
Is a permanent condition.

Combined with the inability to walk unaided for less than 50 meters, it suggests a person such as you describe could apply.

(I don't know if it would be granted, but they are not excluded from applying).

mikeecho · 21-11-2023 05:45PM

If those tickets are contested, they probably won't hold up in court.

Private car parks rarely use the correct signage... Was the correct RUS or F sign displayed?

Just because you put up a sign, doesn't make it legal.

BTW . Anyone that parks in a disabled bay, without a permit is a Dīck, same goes for the prīcks who take up the parent&child spot.

Garda ticketing cars in tesco car park

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