Garda ticketing cars in tesco car park

Whocare

Looks like garda in monaghan are enforcing Disable parking spaces in tesco car park 😳. Though private car park is out of there Jurisdiction ?

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Seth Brundle

Fair play to them - too many lazy assholes out there who couldn't be arsed walking an extra few metres.

Private car parks such as Tescos would still be a public place.

mk7r

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058323508/garda-ticketing-cars-in-tesco-car-park

Anywhere the public would have normal access to like a carpark is within their jurisdiction. Private gated property is not

Strumms

i wouldn’t imagine so… otherwise you might have a local shopping centre legally set a speed limit of 140 kph in their car park…

the legislation applies on private land..apparently, lots of other laws applicable on private land.

Miscreant

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058323508/garda-ticketing-cars-in-tesco-car-park

This used to happen regularly in Liffey Valley car park as the disabled spots there were constantly being taken up by people "waiting" for someone. Would stop the practice for a few weeks and then it would go back to the same old story until the Gardai came in and ticketed again.

Like with all laws, they are useless unless they are enforced.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/2058323508/garda-ticketing-cars-in-tesco-car-park

A car park is a public place under road traffic legislation. The only thing that they can't do you for is tax and maybe exceeding the speed limit, speed limits that low don't exist legally. But every other piece of traffic legislation applies.

GavPJ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393860#Comment_121393860

Proper order. Anyone found doing this should be hit with a massive fine and given community service in

the National Rehabilitation Hospital in Dun Laoghaire. They would think twice about doing it again.

Ezeoul

Good, they should be towing anyone who abuses a disability space!

But, I didn't think they could do that in private car parks.

I have had words with a manager in Lidl who authorised the disability spots being used for builders' skips while work was being done.

He said they could do what they liked as long as it was on their property.

pgj2015

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395107#Comment_121395107

You should have put up a post about that on the lidl Facebook page and shamed them over it. Companies like that hate publicity like that. Or go on joe Duffy and tell him about it.

Fair play to the Guards who finally gave tickets for this.

Tefral

Perfectly legal under the road traffic act. Under the Act a Public Place is defined as follows:

“public place” means any street, road or other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395269#Comment_121395269

The wild thing is this was actually the branch in Tallaght Village, beside Lidl's corporate head office!

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395316#Comment_121395316

What can Lidl actually do? Effect a citizen arrest? My local Lidl has probably disabled 10 spaces and Ive never seen more than 3 or 4 occupied. One of my bug bears is the fit and healthy driver taking advantage of a family member's disability and parking beside the shop door. They, more than anyone, shoulds know better. Human nature, all about No1.

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celt262

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395269#Comment_121395269

Why? they can do what they want on their own property if they decided tonight they were putting trolley bays in 3 disabled spots would you ring Joe Duffy?

pgj2015

Obviously, yes I would and so would lots of other people.

monkeybutter

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395372#Comment_121395372

should the owners be taken outside and shot?

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Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395352#Comment_121395352

Well, one thing they could have done, was not allow the builders to put their skips in the disability spots in the first place, when there were plenty of other spots available mere feet away. It's a big enough carpark. There are two disability spots beside the entrance to the store, then a couple of parent and child spaces beside those. and another two over the other side of the car park.

But sure we shouldn't expect the builders to have to walk a few feet.

You should never assume "fit and healthy" looking drivers are not themselves qualified for a disability parking permit.

Not all disabilities are visible.

Just because the symbol on the parking space is a wheelchair, doesn't mean the driver has to be wheelchair bound to qualify for a permit.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395352#Comment_121395352

What can Lidl do? Call the Gardai to get the car ticketed.

If we had proper laws they could impound it, as tickets or clamps don't help the people who need to use disabled parking places.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121394977#Comment_121394977

This I would actually question (not you, the gardai) as someone who is driving a blue badge holder somewhere, or collecting a blue badge holder can legally wait for the blue badge holder in a disability parking spot, as long as the blue badge is displayed.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395641#Comment_121395641

Agree disabled spaces should not have been used by builders. IMHO disabled spaces are provided to ensure that physically impaired people can independently go about their lives. I think its a reasonable assumption that a chap who can hop out of a car and sprint across a car park to ensure he doesnt get wet is not suffering from a physical impaoent of sufficient severity requiring a blue badge.

easygoing39

Can I ask what other disabilities qualifies a driver for a blue badge other than being in a wheelchair?

patmahe

Good on them, my Father got cancer a while back and has unfortunately passed away since, the parking badge he got enabled him to stay independent for that little bit longer and he always loved driving so did it until near the end. I don't care if you are only going to be a minute, for God's sake just leave the disabled spaces clear, people do use them and do genuinely need them. If you have your health and the use of your legs be glad you do and walk the extra 20 feet.

Mefistofelino

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395906#Comment_121395906

Any permanent condition or disability that restricts their ability to walk - respiratory or cardiac problems, blindness (the pass is for qualifying drivers or passengers), acute arthritis...

https://www.ddai.ie/eligibilitywizard?utm_campaign=eligibilitywizard&utm_source=whoqualifies&utm_medium=bigbutton

The criteria for tax relief (VRT, VAT, motor tax, fuel duty) are much more stringent

Strumms

The ‘permanent’ condition part to the regs is bs to be fair, a real head scratcher... it should be defined as a ‘long term condition’…People with brain injuries / nerve disorders can take years to fully recover their mobility… yet while the condition isn’t permanent the requirement for accessible parking will be long term, years basically…. So permanent is a bit of a dumb oversight….

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395905#Comment_121395905

Unless he was collecting someone.

There was a post on another thread, recently, from a lady who used to drive her father who had severe emphysema who often was caught in circumstances like that.

I can't really blame you for making that assumption, I'm just saying it isn't always as it looks.

creedp

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396313#Comment_121396313

Methinks your assumption that he is on the level is subject to the same scrutiny as mine thinking he's not

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396339#Comment_121396339

Well, I am one of those blue badge holders who is not visibily disabled (yet).

So I guess it comes from my knowing that many people don't know all the ins and outs of the disability badge and often assume that someone needs to be wheelchair bound, or visibily strugging to walk, to qualify for one.

GavPJ

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395906#Comment_121395906

Diabetes. Our youngest daughter has it and we are entitled to have a blue badge on each car and are allowed to

park in disabled parking places. We never bothered applying for it though as there are people out there who need

the badges/parking spaces more.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396286#Comment_121396286

There are three boxes on the eligibilty test:

• Requires medical or surgical intervention for less than 12 months
• Requires medical or surgical intervention for more than 12 months
• Is a permanent condition.

Combined with the inability to walk unaided for less than 50 meters, it suggests a person such as you describe could apply.

(I don't know if it would be granted, but they are not excluded from applying).

mikeecho

If those tickets are contested, they probably won't hold up in court.

Private car parks rarely use the correct signage... Was the correct RUS or F sign displayed?

Just because you put up a sign, doesn't make it legal.

BTW . Anyone that parks in a disabled bay, without a permit is a Dīck, same goes for the prīcks who take up the parent&child spot.

AlanG

It would be interesting to see if they hold up incourt. While Garda have authority in car parks it would come down to how you legally define a disabled space in such an area if enforced by AGS. There was a case in Carrick on Shannon where a judge parked for years on double yellow lines as the council had just painted them and never done the legalities to designate the road as no parking, the lines had no legal standing.

road_high

Cannot understand the mentality of able bodied people who take up disabled spots. In the past I’ve often driven out of full car parks as only disabled spots were available and rightly so. I can walk luckily enough and am mobile. Pure entitled laziness.

dalyboy

Fair play to the guards on this issue. I personally wish they’d follow this enforcement on parent & child spots too. The amount of times some slob on his own takes the parents & child spot in my supermarket is enraging.

Dr Turk Turkelton

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396592#Comment_121396592

Hopefully you don't take the wrong way but why would someone worth diabetes be entitled to a blue badge?

I'm only asking as I work with two lads with it. One is around 60 and only found out about 10 years ago and takes a tablet to manage it and the other is about 30 has had it since very young and has to inject himself and has had a couple of bouts in hospital over the years when he has not taken it or something like that.

They have no difficulty walking or doing any physical tasks so that's why I was wondering.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396891#Comment_121396891

Disabled spaces are a legal requirement for car parks to provide. Parent and child places are a marketing gimic. Trying to equate the 2 is why people think it's OK to park in disabled places.

Del2005

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395843#Comment_121395843

I doubt that the people waiting had blue badges.

Witcher

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121396891#Comment_121396891

The only necessary sign is the disabled sign painted on the bay (RRM 015). It may be accompanied by an upright sign but it's not mandatory.

jmreire

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121393903#Comment_121393903

Maybe private land, but public by invitation?

Oscar_Madison

Your local supermarket is part of that community - brilliant to see them recognising all parts of their community surroundings - my local Gardai are great at nabbing cars/people parked in disabled spots on the main street - just can’t understand people who do this - I mean even on the most trivial level isn’t it wishing bad luck on you using such a space no less the more serious aspects - I have pity on people caught doing 58 in a 50 and what not but this, absolutely no excuse - just don’t do it

Eggs For Dinner

I have a blue badge and my biggest gripe is delivery drivers often taking up 2 or more spaces at a time. That and people who, when challenged, tell you that they would have moved if you had asked them to. As if a disabled person has to ask as a favour

WestWicklow1

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397652#Comment_121397652

Funny enough, I took a photo of a large Dunnes Stores delivery van the other day taking up two disabled spaces. I contacted DS and they asked for the photo so they can pass it on to their third-party delivery company to advise them of this issue.

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397675#Comment_121397675

Go over to the "bad parking" threads and you'll see loads of photos of this kind of behaviour.

[Steve]

Just seen Gardai checking cars this evening in Tesco car park in Ardkeen, Waterford.

Hope this becomes a new thing - the amount of gobshites parking in disabled spots is ridiculous.

odyssey06

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121398198#Comment_121398198

I expect them to have a higher than average rate of outstanding tickets for other motoring offences too... be a shame if some of them got done for no tax or insurance wouldnt it.

Whocare

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121397652#Comment_121397652

Personally I wouldn't be Victimizing a working man as at end of day he paying your benefits. Delivery man is doing his job if could he would avoid parking there

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121395292#Comment_121395292

Yeah but are the disabled spaces legally enforceable?

They are not council spaces

Whocare

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121398198#Comment_121398198

Really personally as nosey lad I find it rare enough non blue badge park in those spaces

Ezeoul

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121398367#Comment_121398367

Why are you assuming someone who has a disability badge is on "benefits"?

I have a disability badge and am in full time employment.

Someone who does not have a badge is not entitled to use a disability space - "working man" or not. End of. "Victimization" my arse. Ridiculous comment.

And as for "he wouldn't park there if he could avoid it" - don't make me laugh. There are plenty of examples in the above mentioned threads on bad parking, where business vans are parked across disability spaces, with other spaces mere feet away.

John_Rambo

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121398367#Comment_121398367

Is this a joke like Alan Partridge account?

The amount of sheer assumptions, presuppositions, shouldering & judgements in such a short sentence has to be record breaking.

Eggs For Dinner

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121398367#Comment_121398367

Paying me what benefits??? Are you wrongly assuming that blue badge holders are not gainfully employed and only receive state benefits? What a knobhead.

It is disgraceful behaviour for delivery drivers to use disabled parking bays