BusConnects Dublin - Bus Network Changes Discussion

Also it's a bit of a hike from both Luas stops to Dundrum SC.

I guess the logic is that there's 6 bus routes (87/88, 74, A2, A4, L33 and L25) and a Luas going past Dundrum SC. So you can hop on any of these to change to an orbital route.

I'm sure they've thought everything through.

It's a complex job but they've been thinking about it since 2017 and are only implementing now.

I think if they could do contactless payment it would help a lot. Dublin's choked with traffic and buses are the only option for the foreseeable future.

I think they expect people to change onto the other bus route options, as it's 550m away.

It's very much Jarrett Walker's philosophy to change buses, whereas most people just want to get one bus from start to destination.

It probably would've just made more sense to route the S8 through Sandyford Ind. Estate, Blackthorn Ave. right onto Sandyford Road, Balally and Wyckham Way then back to current route. That way it could still serve Dundrum SC if a stop was placed opposite the Tesco Garage.

I'm not sure about the logic behind the S8s routing through Monkstown Village either it would be better off in my opinion if it continued out of DL as far as Bakers Corner then right onto Abbey Road left off the TEK Roundabout and onto the Link Road with the bus lane brought into use. That would maintain a service to IADT.

I think it's not possible to do it all at once. It's pretty complex. I'm pretty certain he does it in phases in every city.

I think the rumours about JW are nonsense.

Sounds pretty positive here.

Whatever happened, the fact is he hasn't been involved in it for a long time and the much-changed final plan came long after he'd stopped working on it.

There's a thread about the phasing of the new routes here:

But for the actual dates, I don't think anyone knows for sure.

I have seen a lot of training buses in Finglas on that route though

Also on the "Map Key", does anyone know what "Peak time routes" in yellow are?

Also does anyone know the relationship between College Green Plaza pedestrianisation and the phases with which it's being phased in?

i.e. is after a certain spine is done, that College Green can be pedestrianisd?

Or not

As well as bpassing DTC and IADT, the S8 isnt very frequent.

Its generally only 2 buses per hour, and over the weekend period, 2bph is as good as it gets.

So even a marginal delay to service could see it running only 1 bus in a 60 min period, even on a busy saturday or sunday, when people are going shopping to DTC or out to the coast.

I said it a few times, but i cant see how this service wont push alot of people back into cars.

On the Busconnects city center map, I currently see A spine and 3 purple routes going through College Green.

Will these be routed through Parliament Street and down the Quays in future?

Or is there another plan? There's plans to pedestrianise Parliament Street also IIRC.

The alignment isn't great alright. Not sure if it's gonna be driving people back to cars mind you as I'd imagine most regular 75 and 175 users don't own cars in the first place. It's mostly the young going to school/college and the elderly using those routes.

I guess the main benefit of the alignment is the improved connectivity to Sandyford Ind. Estate which is a key source of employment for South Dublin. There's currently no direct bus to Sandyford from Dun Laoghaire, Rathfarnham, Knocklyon, Firhouse and Tallaght apart from the the peak only 75a. So that should a big plus.

Looking at Google Maps I don’t think the W4 could go southbound on the M50 if it went through the village.

Ok thanks.

I wonder is it worth all the hassle. Pedestrianising College Green I mean.

You'll have a constant stream of buses down Dawson Street and past Trinity College.