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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭TokTik


    I don’t think there is any chance of SK getting a new contract. Surely a wind up



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭TokTik


    SK is on more than Gus Poyet and numerous other international managers who’ve actually qualified for Euro 2024.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    You know, em, we were great first half v...em Netherlands and France and Portugal, and em...the lads looked fantastic in the jerseys and...em, you know, played 4-4-2...you know, eleven men on the pitch...the lads have had a long season, you know, em a few got hamstring injuries. Em, there are 46 games a season in the Championship and a good few of our...lads play there. You know, em, if we scored two more goals we would've beaten Netherlands and 24 players have gotten their first caps since I came in...and the boys looked great out there in the jerseys.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,808 ✭✭✭John arse


    How could they even consider a new contract for someone so incompetent???



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,280 ✭✭✭Elmer Blooker


    There was no comeback after that training camp debacle in Turkey before the worst Ireland ‘performance’ I’ve ever seen away to Greece.

    I think ‘that’ night in Belfast thirty years ago today is worth mentioning even if it is off topic, those too young to remember have probably heard about it. This excellent article about that night is well worth a read, we’ll never see the likes of it again with all the Nations League and play off nonsense we have now. Read it!

    https://amp.theguardian.com/football/blog/2012/feb/15/forgotten-story-17-november-1993



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 274 ✭✭Fotish


    “but was there a single discussion had at government level about how 10 years on from the bailout that Irish football could become an industry like it is in most countries?”

    What’s the government got to do with it ? Should football not make its own plans and stand on it’s own two feet without being spoonfed by the government?



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Ive heard the loi / kenny fanboy media coming out today and starting to advocate for him to stay on. Mad stuff. Im not shocked though. A sad state of affairs that someone can fail with such success and still be hailed in some circles. This situation is the defintion of what is wrong in irish football. The Irish mens senior team is now a mirror of the LOI. Bitter and blaming others for their miserable record.

    I will stop watching ireland if Stephen is left in charge. Its just all wrong for everyone. The man is a fraud at the level he is trying to operate at. A con artist.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    If you think a business model where the men’s senior international team is going to bring in enough revenue to finance everything else in Irish football then unless we start qualifying for major championships every 2-4 years, this will be a doomed business model.

    the new fai has better corporate governance than the last fai. But that’s all it has really. It has the same massive financial burdens and is working in a failed business model that we are trying again to see it fail again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,310 ✭✭✭seanin4711


    more a tony o Donoghue man,jeez he really loves soccer and Stephen



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    100%.

    And to add to that we cant stick with this man. The man who cant win games even against poor opposition.

    We need someone who will make us tough to beat. Stephen isnt the man. The players have accepted the apathy and lack of expectation which stephen has instilled. They are comfortable under him not happy. Thats a worry. Ive been around enough teams to see it.



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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony o d and ste Kenny.

    Gas stuff.

    Well eh eh eh eh ton eh yeah eh luxembourg eh yeah good team to....yeah.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 818 ✭✭✭reclose


    I’d hate to go back to hoofing the ball forward and conceding possession instantly with 10 players defending for their life at the 18 yard box.

    I’ve no interest in scraping into playoffs that way, besides it stopped working at the end of MON reign.

    Hopefully whoever replaces Kenny finds some middle ground.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Exactly. Go direct using our pace. It doesnt have to be hoofing. But we cant consider 100 passes across our back 4 and then knocking the ball out for a throw in as a success or progress. We dont have the midfield for that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    What do we do instead? 10,000 passes among the back four going nowhere and as soon as the ball goes into the midfield possession is conceded. Unfortunately Kenny hasn't got good enough players to play the style of play I think he wants to play. So we end up in a scenario where losing to a Portugal, France or Netherlands is considered a good result because somewhere in the 90+ minutes there was a passage of play that looked good but went nowhere.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Also a lot of people state we played nothing but hoofball under MON and Trap. This is completely untrue. The victory over Germany was not hoofball (even if, ironically, the goal came from a punt up the pitch from Randolph).

    You cannot qualify for major tournaments on hoofball alone. Trap and MON each qualified for a tournament. Kenny has lost every significant qualifying match and sent us dropping 20+ places in world rankings making our seeding worse for future qualifying groups. The next manager has years ahead of him trying to fix the problems that appointing Stephen Kenny has caused.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    But Long's goal wasn't even a hoof. Randolph saw that Long was 1 v 1 and played a direct ball in over the defence and pace did the rest. It's a far cry from lumping it forward to a 6ft + man hoping for the best.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,186 ✭✭✭Peter Flynt


    Exactly what Jurgen Klopp instructs Alisson to do to find Mo Salah in literally every single Liverpool match. But when we do it our very own football snobs call it "hoofball".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,044 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    We don’t have the players, which makes it even more crucial that we have a capable manager.

    Kenny as manager was never going to work… he lacks top level experience. His experience managing professional footballers has been fleeting only…he has never managed a collection players of international class. He has never managed in a situation where stakes are so high and where every game is absolutely important and every point as vital..

    He has shown an unwillingness to be tactically flexible… and he’s not tactically reactive enough when a plan B is required… both in terms of substitutions which he almost always leaves until it’s too late… and changing formation and style too…

    the success he did enjoy with Bohemians for example… I was regularly enough going to see that Bohs team… one of the best LOI teams ever assembled… every position had 2 very good players. They were especially adept at attacking and scoring goals…..and if behind the 8 ball he had a good bench and a plan B.

    We have won 6 points from a possible 21 in this campaign. 6 points in 7 matches ….those 6 points we got were courtesy of 2 wins against Gibraltar who are about as able as an LOI side… we didn’t pick up a single point in any other game. That is nutsville. Pure rubbish…

    why are people defending Kenny when those facts are out there, online for anyone to reference…? He’s not good enough. His ability and know how is enough for the LOI levels and levels below where he is employed now. At Bohs / Rovers etc if he doesn’t like the two centre backs, he can make a phone call and probably sell those two and buy two better ones..

    he has to work with what is in front of him here, no cheque book gets him out of trouble…. Greatest managers achieve results when they don’t have resources and when they are up against it…. Kenny has fallen way short, 6 points out of 21… time won’t fix the problem, a new manager will help.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It could get messy this evening. Again id have more respect for Kenny after tonight if he held up his hand and said im not at this level.

    No doubt he'll get the usual hall pass from the LOI brigade. Its blantantly clear he hasnt left the national team in a better state than he found it and thats saying something considering thw lows we were at when he took over.

    6 points from 21. Not managing a single point again Greece. Spoofer stuff at this stage defending it.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Tony O'Donoghue needs to salavage any credit as a journalist tonight and grill him on his record and claims he makes. He wont obviously. Id imagine Tony will ask him about a new contract or some mad ****.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,044 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    More than a hall pass the LOI cultists will still be championing the fûck out of him no matter the result.

    be nice if he’d just try something different tactically. We cannot qualify so why the hell not just do something a bit different….

    part of me though wouldn’t mind seeing us get walloped 4-0 tonight….if we by some miracle won tonight and beat New Zealand in the upcoming friendly we obviously won’t have qualified but we’d be on a 3 match winning streak…. 🤪 could give the FAI eejits food for thought…. Some of the lads whispering in Hill’s ear…go on Jonathan, he’s improving and he’s cheap 🙈 new contract… yeahhhhhhhh go on..



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    A disaster of a pre match interview. Terrible communicater. He doesnt instill confidence in anyone. He's barely able to string a sentence together still.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Great start. Thats in Stephen more of the same.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Plenty of hoof ball here too. I wonder what the Kenny LOI fanmen call it though.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭TokTik




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    A few thoughts.

    Robinson should've been put out to pasture years ago.

    Cullen is a nothing player. Has touched the ball about twice so far.

    On that note, Collins continues to have a mistake in him every game so I'd seriously consider playing him in midfield seeing as he can carry the ball forward. Scales either as he's slow enough but compensates with a decent array of passing and shows decent situational awareness.

    Kenny is absolutely hopeless at getting anything out of a player like Ferguson. I feel sorry for him.

    Simons should've been booked for fouling Manning about six times by now.

    Doherty is so past it it's not even funny. He has the first touch of an amputee.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,117 ✭✭✭TokTik


    We are so weak in the middle. I find it hard to believe that there is no Irish player anywhere who’s a specialist breaker-upper. Who can cut out attacks and recycle the ball.



  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Thats as bad as anything we have seen for a long time. A clear sign that Kennys time has gone. Why the hell is callum robinson playing.



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  • Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Scales is so poor too. Shows how far Celtic have fallen. He'd struggle to get a game in the championship.

    And then to make matters worse you have a manager asking them to do things they cant do. Its horrific.



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