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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,465 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Cap might be 250k but that shouldn’t mean these presenters should get that.

    I would suggest most should land into the 150 - 180. K bracket.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Isn't that my point? and again it doesn't matter that you are not watching an Irish drama but that we are give people the opportunity to write, direct, acting in those dramas and to potential further their careers in other countries or in this country and even see that drama on the Streamers in other countries.


    ______

    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭bigroad


    So the clowns at the top of the food chain will still get their big pay till there contract ends.

    Sure that is years away for some of them .

    I dont see any real change going to happen financially quick enough to pay their bills.

    It will just be 56 million this year and more next year.

    They Need to bring in financial experts from outside and chop the place up till it can be run without handouts.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    Wait and see the cap become a target.

    A far better idea would have been a complete regrading of sliding scales



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,111 ✭✭✭Floppybits


    It shouldn't be more than what a TD earns. Same with others in the Public/Civil service, none should earn more than the Taoiseach.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,465 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I fear you are correct, given the paucity of management skills in that place.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    why 150k?

    what is it specifically about that number apart from it sounds good to you that you want the cap to be that when 250k is probably the best balance between the organisations own commercial realities and market realities?

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,538 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    run without handouts is never going to happen unless you want to scrap public service content and just have another virgin media.

    the whole problem for rte in the first place is that it is expected to be a fully public service content operation but run commercially with the tv license then being the state money.

    I'm very highly educated. I know words, i have the best words, nobody has better words then me.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    It's not affordable

    They would go through the process and fold

    They have no content to paywall except the GAA

    Do the sums

    Virgin has set top boxes based not on their content but reselling uk content and they have europewide organization behind them

    Same with sky



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly


    Also just on wages if most of your TV programming is going to be independently produced there are going to be a lot of presenters on High wages, that we will never hear about.


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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,476 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Because I think 250k for Joe, D'Arcy, Miriam and Byrne is too much. Simple as that.

    I could stomach them taking 150k, at a stretch.

    And don't forget, they will probably have to give up being contractors, so if they become employees then there is added costs for rte on top of the 250k



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    They scrambled the video part of analogue TV in the early 1980s. TV services started encrypting audio (there is a difference between scrambling and encrypting) only towards the mid 1980s (Sky's OAK Orion in Europe and VideoCipher II and B-MAC in the US) and in Europe in the 1990s (Filmnet, the D2-MAC Eurocrypt and BSB's hybrid DigiCipher/D-MAC systems). It wasn't until the late 1990s that digital TV (what you think of as "digital") became widespread in the UK and Ireland. Digital Terrestrial TV only happened in the mid 2000s in Ireland with the launch of SaorView. There was an attempt at an Irish subscription DTT service (Boxer TV Ireland) but it failed.

    The analogue systems used in the 1990s were hacked. The UK's subscription DDT service was hacked. Satellite digital TV services were also hacked because of a theory that identified a flaw in all systems that was published in 1991. This led to the rise of the first generation of dodgy boxes which received the keys necessary to decrypt the programmes via the Internet. You don't seem to understand that even if a digital service is encrypted that it has to be decrypted at the audience side. That takes technology and a subscription management system. RTE has neither.

    While the subscription managment side of things might be outsourced, the costs of the CA technology for such a small market, especially for those that do not use online services and are not cable TV subscribers would be substantial. The cable TV subscribers could have your hypothetical RTE service on a separate subscription tier like Premier League soccer or movies. But that would inevitably lead to content cannibalisation where some Pay TV programming might have to be broadcast free to air (FTA) after being broadcast on the subscription sevice in order to entice people to subscribe. Add an online subscription service and now you have more problems.

    The Tubridy payments scandal exposed RTE as a highly dysfunctional company. It simply does not have the expertise, technology, infrastructure (subscription management services) and the money to properly build a non-niche Pay TV service that operates over the air (Saorview), via cable TV, via satellite TV (you probably only thought of it being carried by Sky on the Astra satellites but forgot SaorSat) and online.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    A revolutionary idea might be to link the salaries of the "talent" with the audience figures. They lose audience numbers and they lose money. Lose a specified percentage and they get fired.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    No one's going to agree to that

    Just keep the figures at that of a Marty Morrissey



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,154 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    That's it exactly. The salary cap is just a ruse, an accounting trick to shift a cost under another heading in RTEs budget where it will be easily hidden. And hiding payments is where RTE has form.

    Presenters will moan loudly but take their cut, because they won't be prevented from being used in independent productions. In fact I'd say you'll be seeing more of the "talent".

    RTE exists as a means of moving your cash into the pockets of a media elite where broadcasting is only a byproduct.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    In the terms of the business, Sky and Virgin are known as gatekeepers due to their dominant positions. They dominate their markets. With Ireland, most of the cities and population are in Virgin media areas and the bulk of channels on its networks are encrypted. A subscription based RTE service would have to have online, cable TV, Satellite TV and over-the-air (SaorView) delivery. That's a very complex model that involves different systems. Apart from the programming, it involves multiple systems and RTE just hasn't the expertise or the money.

    Regards...jmcc

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    I've said it before. No idea why Prime Time needs 2 presenters for a 35 minute show shown only twice a week.

    Morning Ireland with endless presenters.. sports, news bulletin, business etc etc. What a waste.

    I'm sure there are many more examples.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    They are already on cable and satellite

    You can only view rte on satellite via a sub, same with cable

    No sure on how much they are getting for this, no much

    Online is the easier part

    It's terrestrial tv that's the issue

    There's no system in place and what is available is not worth a subscription



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    The alternative would be to do away with "talent" as contractors. Ironically, if Tubridy had been an RTE employee, this whole fiasco would not have happened.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,144 ✭✭✭monkeybutter


    Contractors employees doesn't make a whole pile of difference

    As long as they are paid a realistic sum

    The Tubridy thing is nothing to me, it's them topping up Gerry Ryan's pension that should have broken rte



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,247 ✭✭✭Rubberchikken


    I fail to feel any sympathy for any employee in rte at this stage.

    Yes some are on a lower wage but compared to who??

    And how many hours worked??

    Hard done by rte employees would need to be transparent with these answers. No hiding behind poor us whining

    Every employee in a workplace, including the post people, know what's going on. They know if management is doing a decent job or not.

    We've had the review previously going on about redundancy improved productivity improved programming etc..this one is no better.

    An awful lot of words. And not much in the way of substance. Rte all over.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    I think that Virgin and Sky have deals with RTE on carrying RTE channels. There is also SaorSat which uses a different satellite to those in the Astra slot and requires a different LNB for the dish. Terrestrial is now concentrated on SaorView and many TVs have a slot at the back for a Conditional Access Module (CAM). The problem is that RTE has nothing to go in that slot and developing a system would be expensive. RTE simply hasn't the people with the necessary expertise. Many of those outside the cable networks may already have Sky or using the UK Freesat channels (BBC/ITV/C4 and some others) which don't require a subscription. The problem for RTE is that the market can't be covered by a single delivery method and the terrestrial TV fragment outside the cable networks is much smaller than the size of the online and cable fragments.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,420 ✭✭✭alias no.9


    CAM systems are hardly cutting edge technology, there's no reason RTE couldn't licence a system.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,558 ✭✭✭jmcc


    There is one reason: money. Who pays for each CAM and for the smartcards? Who deals with the problems when a CAM or card doesn't work? There's more to it than simply licencing a system and hoping for the best.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,570 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    The analogue systems used in the 1990s were hacked. The UK's subscription DDT service was hacked. Satellite digital TV services were also hacked because of a theory that identified a flaw in all systems that was published in 1991. This led to the rise of the first generation of dodgy boxes which received the keys necessary to decrypt the programmes via the Internet. You don't seem to understand that even if a digital service is encrypted that it has to be decrypted at the audience side. That takes technology and a subscription management system. RTE has neither.

    Well yes, everything can be hacked. But even when Card Sharing became common (still very niche) sky along with most European providers still grew it's legitimate customer base.

    Modern illegitimate ITPV is streets ahead of CS, but hey we still have subscription TV.

    Just because something can be hacked doesn't mean the end or an excuse not to start sub based TV.

    While the subscription managment side of things might be outsourced, the costs of the CA technology for such a small market, especially for those that do not use online services and are not cable TV subscribers would be substantial. 

    Why?

    You don't have to reinvent you, you license it.

    Investing in brand new far more expensive tech didn't seem much of a barrier when switching to DVB-T.

    ---------------------------

    Anyway you seem hung up on the very minor detail of how to encrypt or decrypt a signal. We have the technology.

    The reality is the future is quality which is sub based and and largely on demand.

    Nationwide on 3 times a week as they show us a goat testicle farm has probably run it's course.

    The Tubridy payments scandal exposed RTE as a highly dysfunctional company. It simply does not have the expertise, technology, infrastructure (subscription management services) and the money to properly build a non-niche Pay TV service that operates over the air (Saorview), via cable TV, via satellite TV (you probably only thought of it being carried by Sky on the Astra satellites but forgot SaorSat) and online.

    Sounds like RTE middle management throwing in the towel again.

    The "we can't" attitude is one of the reasons Mr Tubridy was on nearly a cool million a year.

    Cowardice and archaic thinking and lack of vision is why we will still be having this discussion in 5 years time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 871 ✭✭✭Mr Disco


    Someone needs to call Emma a waaaaaahmbulance !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 921 ✭✭✭thejuggler


    It seems to me that the talent who are contractors will sidestep the 250k salary restriction which will only apply to rte staff. Plus ca change in RTE!

    The only plan seems to be to close services with no audience (the lesser performing digital streaming channels and the plus one tv services) . Why not kill off fair city and save a decent amount of money? The orchestras and lyric fm/2fm should also be closed and/or spun off elsewhere.



  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    That is my reading of it. Kevin then got into an argument on air about contractors being let go when their contract finished. I have a feeling it became the norm in RTE that contracts were renewed for life! No wonder they have Scope looking into 700 bogus self employments.



  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    RTE already have their Gaa Go pay per view app. It is supposed to be crap, but is a starting point which could be expanded and integrated into the player.

    jmcc (who I suspect has written several books on the subject 😉) is correct on the costs using a hardware/CAM cards etc.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,498 ✭✭✭RoTelly



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    Just one more thing .... when did they return that car

    Yesterday



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