Public Pay Talks - see mod warning post 4293

The ultimately irony is that those in the public service making the decision live very comfortably indeed - i.e. the politicians & senior civil service. No expense is spared at the top and the largesse carries on. At present the Department of Health in Hawkins St is undergoing a massive redevelopment/rebuilding and I doubt they'll work in the environment you describe.

It is also the case that senior civil servants and/or senior management in the public service in government departments cover up for lack of investment by using the media to attack public servants at the coalface. The Dept of Education does this obsessively on teachers. Health does the same whenever doctors and nurses raise issues. Also happening in Justice re AGS. All leads to ever depressing morale

Again witness this myself too. Plenty of back slapping and mentions of performance etc. but good work is being done in spite of the system not as a consequence of it. Hospitals are a good example of this. My OH had an accident at the weekend and ended up in two separate hospitals. Awful buildings, inefficient systems (triaged twice in two A&E's after being transferred from the first?!), but just the nicest people working there that genuinely were doing their best for her. Couldn't praise them enough for the care she got.

LOL, in fairness there is a manager in my place that at least sourced some fleeces for people in a freezing office. Christmas party this year, no finger food, mince pies or drinks provided!

That's a fairly standard OPW messaging around conserving energy tbf.

Does the education methodology factor in preparation hours or is it focused on teaching hours? (Don't work in education meself!)

Average hourly earnings is a strange metric to take. Teachers get very good holidays which will skew that stat.

When you look at average weekly earnings, of the 21 economic sectors, Education is 11th with an average weekly wage of 950e. So no, it does not nail a lie at all. That is also from the CSO.

Secondly, remuneration is entirely arbitrary. Recruiting teachers is nigh on impossible at the moment due to the pay and working conditions. Teachers can move abroad for a better quality of life. Hence, to solve the issue, teachers wages need to increase otherwise there is little incentive to become one.

Note, while I work in the education sector, I am not a teacher. I've no vested interest in teachers getting a better wage.

The poster was referring to the average hourly earning which is their wage divided by hours worked. The education sector is down at 23.6 hours worked per week. The average across all sectors is 32.6. So yeah, the long holidays skew that stat. Breaking it down to hourly earnings doesnt provide much insight into anything imo.

many teachers are on temporary contracts with low part time hours provided no wonder they are voting with their feet

They don't do that with the average weekly for the education sector.

I'm almost sure anyway

Teacher bashing is rife,always has been,always will be,for the most part! Teachers get paid a wage.Class contact time is the thing that people on here do not understand.Any young teacher,and there are many ,may have a 3 or 4 hour contract!!! A fcukin joke to be honest about it.The teacher gets paid for this ...but only for the contracted hours,nil € for preparation,nil € for travel. Who ,in their right mind would stay in the country on such terms and conditions when the same teacher is treated as a professional in other countries and given a full time permanent contract with rent/accomodation paid for and flights 'home' twice a year.Its basic respect. Unfortunately the same respect is not part of the game at home in Ireland.

There needs to be a root and branch restructuring of education and health in Ireland,it is way over due. The amount of leeches that are siphoning off the money in both Education and Health is shocking.The amount wasted on 'interview panels',so called expenses,box tickers and 'ar*e lickers, 'managers,a joke!,is keeping money away from the front line.

There is a cosy cartel in both Departments that have been around for years and some teachers give themselves a bad name,in the sense that they retire on a full gold plated pension on a Friday and are back as 'consultants' on the following Monday.Education and Training Boards and Health Committees are the worse offenders. So bear in mind when you are tearing strips out of the teachers that the figure you are using is not a true figure!How many other professions would put up with the crap that goes on in Health and Education.Do not expect 'stupid' double percentage increases.Economically it will not work.The Public Service was cut to the bone at the onset of the last recession and it will always lag behind other areas of employment as far as wages go.

The basics of having a roof over your head,food on the table and the basic monthly necessities are all we can hope for. The Gov should grow a pair and haul all the utility companies in and get them to put the costs of the necessities back to pre Covid rates( as wholesale prices are now down to that again) and if they don't cut within a month cripple them with 75% immediate tax on profits.Unfortunately the Gov will not do this and are happy to see prices soar as the more they do the bigger the tax take....and if we are 'good' we might get a few hundred thrown at us for the electric bill! Unions ,unfortunately .have lost their bite.Strikes will not solve anything only hurt the hurting even more.

Teacher bashing is down to one issue only - Standard Irish begrudgery/jealousy over the holidays. Yet most with that mentality wouldn't last in teaching for two reasons - they wouldn't be able to stand the heat in the kitchen and the money wouldn't be good enough as there are far easier ways to get paid more.

I suppose we are all imagining the utter inability to recruit or retain teachers then.

Sure isn’t the deal done already. It’s all just theatre now.

So whats the deal then?