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Cult of Stephen Kenny

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    If you think 216k amounts to overpaying a CEO then I don’t know what you expect a CEO of a company in Ireland with a staff of at least a 100 to work for.


    it’s also interesting to note that the CEO’s staff is capped so he could not receive any bonuses for attracting sponsors to the FAI or the senior team.


    so the government has placed a salary restriction on the CEO that amounts to offering no incentive to do his job well. It’s kind of counter productive.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,417 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    No no. you've misunderstood. He was overpaid by 20k over and above his salary for "things" that he shouldn't be getting paid for. He's acknowledged that and is repaying the money. Nevertheless, as a result funding has been suspended



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭randd1


    He was paid an additional €20k in order to move here for the job on top of his base salary. He didn't move here.

    Although in fairness to him it looks like he wasn't at fault for this oversight. And it's likely to be clawed back as well.

    It does however show a stunning lack of awareness by the FAI regarding their finances and their financial dealings. When you're being bailed out to the tune of €50m, and the lads bailing you out are demanding better control over your finances, the one thing you should be doing your best to do is avoiding giving members more money than they're due.

    Maybe the reason there's strict restrictions on pay is because they can't govern their own finances?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    No I don’t think you’ve got the full story. He is not allowed to earn more than 216000.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    No, you are wrong. he wasn’t paid 20k to move here. That’s not the issue.


    It was benefit in kind for commuting expenses and being paid for holidays not taken.

    the issue is he was paid more than allowed by the agreement with the government for their bail out. He can’t get more than 216000. Hence it appears he can’t get performance related bonuses, hence he may have little incentive to meet stretch KPIs such as getting a sponsor for the men’s national team. Hence a situation that could be accurately described as counterproductive .


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,282 ✭✭✭TokTik


    What have the GAA or the CEO got to do with Stephen Kenny??



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭randd1


    I stand corrected. Sort of.

    If the terms of his position means no payments exceeding an agreed amount as set out by a bailout, then anything additional would not be allowed. Which in any terms, is a stupid oversight by those in charge of the FAI's finances given their bailout, not least in the wake of them being viewed as a financial black whole and corrupt enterprise.

    And not for nothing, if he knew the terms of his position before he took it, he can have no excuse for not doing the job, lack of bonuses/payments etc. And at the very least, it should not take three years to secure a sponsor for the flagship team, which should be a basic job for a sports CEO.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,824 ✭✭✭randd1




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 Whetherfleet


    A graduate wouldn't get promoted if they had the communication skills of Kenny yet this lad is on 500k a year in a high profile job where dealing with the media is part and parcel of the job.

    He can't construct sentences, just starts one, then pauses, licks his lips, swallows, big inhale and exhale and then starts another in between lots of emms and ands..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    It’s debatable whether the basic job for of a sports ceo is to find sponsors. I’d say that’s more of a stretch goal. I’d say assuming the position, appearing for work and attending meetings etc. are more the basics.


    in any case, the government stipulation looks possibly to have led to a situation where Jonathan Hill has no financial motivation to seek sponsorship.

    which, if true, is very concerning and counterproductive.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,763 ✭✭✭bogmanfan



    I'd argue that you shouldn't need additional 'financial motivation' to do a job which you're already very well paid to do. Hill was talked up as the former commercial director of the FA in the UK when he was appointed. Failure to secure a sponsor should reflect very poorly on him, regardless of whether it was one of his primary responsibilities. I'd ask what has he done in his over 3 years in charge? And I would also question if his track record in the job would give anyone confidence that he's the best person to recruit the next manager.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    It reflects poorly on him but it doesn’t make him any richer or poorer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,417 ✭✭✭roosterman71


    Why do you think that getting sponsorship wouldn't be done because there was no bonus in it? Can't understand the logic. Plenty of people do their work with no bonus. Why would a well paid CEO not? Why would he chair meetings or do media even?

    is there any terms of employment for the CEO we can see or know about?

    Even if he wasn't directly tasked with getting a sponsor, wouldn't he delegate that to someone in the FAI to do. It would, after all, bring in much needed money



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Yes he could delegate to the commercial director of the association but is he going to go around and put in the show leather and kiss ass of all these corporations and use his contact book if he gets no bonus? Do you think it’s more likely he will if he’s on a bonus?


    plenty of people work for no bonus?? Not in the corporate world they don’t. Many people in the corporate world get a bonus of up to half their salary. Maybe he does have a bonus clause but reading the indo story on the government stipulation then it’s hard to see how.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Do people really think 216k is big money for a CEO?


    look at what the GAA pay their entire executive. For a lower / easier job.

    https://www.offtheball.com/football/gaa-executive-pay-croke-park-averaged-e125845-2019-965684#:~:text=It%20reveals%20there%20are%2014,14%20is%20€125%2C%20845.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 22,677 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    So the 14 top executives in the GAA average. They managed an organisation that rise 22 million in commercial sponsorship and 33 million in central council gate receipts during 2022

    Problem for soccer is the amount of money that is siphoned off at club level.that prevents development.

    It's an open secret that pay for play goes on at junior club level. Along with team managers and trainers

    Ya GAA clubs pay trainers, coaches and physio's etc but other funding goes into underage and player development as well as faculties.

    If you are sponsoring your local GAA club you see the results of your sponsorship.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Sorry if off topic and I am only a casual observer, but if the FAI Cup Final can bring in 45k fans, which is fantastic by the way, what is it that holds back the regular attendances?

    Am I right in saying the finalists would only average about 5k per game?

    I know a cup final always gives a bump in numbers, but 45k is a lot of fans!

    What more could be done to uplift the LoI attendances?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Attendances have doubled in the last 8 years so there is not a problem there as such.

    obviously spending around a billion euro on upgrading our terrible level of stadiums would greatly help attendances. It’s also not going to happen for the foreseeable future.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Thanks.

    So stadium capacity is reached and there are no funds to expand it?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Yes and also if stadiums were modernized from somewhere between 1970 and 1990 standard to modern standards then more people would come as people like nice surroundings.

    Ireland didn’t modernize its stadiums like most countries do with help from government and municipal authorities and now its stadium infrastructure is crumbling and a huge bill (as much as a billion euro) would be involved in modernizing.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,044 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Thabks. It does seem like some community govt funding wouldnt go a miss.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    Ah it needs but probably won’t get major government investment.

    my own opinion is the state likes sport as a revenue source rather than something that they actually invest in. Since Ireland’s sport media is predominantly left wing they rarely press the case that the state should be investing in sport and they think sports investment should not happen while there is a hungry child or a homeless family in Ireland.

    but the biggest leftie in the dail (Richard Boyd Barrett) says Ireland should be investing far more in soccer so ….there you go

    thats not an opinion all will agree with but it’s how I see it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭bullpost


    But FAI gets that investment and up to it how to channel it. I know in Delaneys day LOI was neglected.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    The fai wouldn’t really have to be majorly involved in improving stadium infrastructure. It’s not really what the FAI are there for. The FAI are there to run football in Ireland. Major capital projects are largely above their pay grade. There are a few stadiums that belong to the fai I think like drogheda’s if I’m not mistaken so they could get more involved in that case.

    But overall, improving stadiums would be direct government or municipal investments.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 703 ✭✭✭US3


    Ferguson only seems to get injured just before international breaks and recovers just in time for the club games again. This is the 3rd in 3 months.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 555 ✭✭✭JeffreyEpspeen


    Andrew Moran's assist for Szmodics's goal the other night was filthy. Browne's touch for his goal was similarly filthy. Moran could be as good as Wes from what I've seen. Browne, like McGrath, is someone who will never get the credit he deserves because he was actually born in RoI and isn't a granny ruler; not world-beaters either of them but largely haven't put a foot wrong at Intl level.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Fotish


    The GAA aren’t up to their eyeballs in debt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,648 ✭✭✭Did you smash it


    easy not to be when you don’t have to pay the guys actually generating all of the income



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 339 ✭✭Fotish


    Yes, huge salaries bandied around the place alright, €250,000 to Robbie Keane for sitting at home.

    Also €100,000 being paid every month to Sports Direct !



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,329 ✭✭✭bullpost


    FAI are amateurs operating in a professional sport. The GAA are professionals operating in an amateur sport. At least that's how it looks like to me 😀



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