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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Kennedy's views are as, if not more, likely to appeal to Trump voters then Democrat ones. If anything there's probably more risk of a Republican split vote from his inclusion than a Dem one; can't see too many centrists voting for him when his views get more airtime.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 2,918 ✭✭✭nachouser


    I would have thought someone like Gavin Newsom would be a good candidate? Granted, I don't know much about US politics, but could Biden even endorse him, nudge, nudge, wink, wink. It would take the age thing out of the conversation.

    "In 2023, Newsom launched Campaign for Democracy, a PAC to take on authoritarian leaders. It is thought to be a starting point for a possible 2028 presidential bid." (from Wikipedia)

    2028 might be too late:-)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Newsome certainly is a possibility for '28, but not '24.

    Funny to see Jill Stein back in the mix, nothing shady about her whatsoever



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,664 ✭✭✭✭briany


    Imagine if AOC decided to throw her hat in the ring. I'm well aware that this would almost certainly not happen, and I understand that AOC has already endorsed Biden, but I'm just thinking of the sparks that would fly by running someone almost the polar opposite of Trump.

    Whoever runs on the Democratic ticket needs to run on a strong message because the nature of politics seems to be such that you can be as toxic as you want while in power and still have a chance of getting reelected after a few years pass and memories fade. Look at what that did for Fianna Fail here. Even Bertie has been eyeing a comeback. So, this is what Trump is banking on in the USA. You'd think all the indictments would sink him, but he's working off the bed of nails theory where because there have been myriad controversies around him, no one issue has any real impact, and people are fatigued of hearing about them anyway, and that's just the people who don't believe that it's all some nefarious conspiracy to keep him out of office.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,752 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    I could see AOC running in the future, but not now, she'll have that base sanders level support but will ultimately be unsuccessful at getting on the ballot, such is the fate of any slightly left of centre politician in American national politics.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    It depends what your definition of 'well' is. Is she polling well for someone raised as a Sikh, South Asian American female within a largely racist, misogynistic, bible waving party electorate race? Probably. A lot of women like her, within the Republican voters. However, the only hope she has is if Trump gets removed from the race by dropping out, dying or being legally removed...none of which are probable. Even at that, De Santis would most likely win. There's a few on that ticket most likely staying in the race for a position in Donnie T's cabinet, she and Scott come to mind, with Ramaswamy in it to raise his profile for non political purposes and Christie running to get a job in the left of centre media world.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,476 ✭✭✭blackcard


    It is a sad reflection on 2023 America that Trump is in pole position to win the next election. The 20th century belonged to America as, not only did they become a superpower, they were leaders in business, cinema, music and a lifestyle that people aspired to. But it is also a sad reflection, albeit to a lesser extent, that Trump's opponents have been Hillary and Joe. You would think that the US would be able to produce a strong, charismatic, fluent leader.

    There seems to be a belief that the multiple legal cases against Trump will mean that Biden wiil win the election by default. I'm afraid that I have been hearing that the end of Trump is nigh since Pussygate, Russian collusion, Jan 6, his current court cases, etc. Yet still, he leads in current polls. There can be very few Americans who have not formed opinions about Trump at this stage. Do you think many will change their minds about him because he overvalued his companies? All it takes is one more stumble, one stuttering answer from Biden and Trump wins a 2 horse race. The Dems have to choose someone like Newsom to take on Trump who seems willing to alienate Europe, Canada and the Western World



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,236 ✭✭✭mcmoustache


    He's popular with the conspiracy theorists, joe rogan listeners, musk fanboys and other cranks. Those tend to go republican. There are some oddballs on the american left such as the tankies and woowoo types that might vote for him too so it's not altogether that simple.

    Then again, the audiences to whom he has most been promoted has been that of the right-wing media eco-system. To give a hypothetical example here, let's say Tim Poole or Nick Fuentes or Ben Shapiro or some other unscrupulous cnut like that sings his praises and has him on their show. Their audiences are overwhelmingly Trumpy. That's just the way it is in US media. It's very polarised. The only people who are watching those shows, which are just the modern iteration of US conservative radio, aren't dem voters. Basically, they've been convincing potential Trump voters to vote Kennedy. I'm sure the Young Turks have been doing similarly but I don't think they're anywhere near the mainstream appeal of the rightwing talking heads.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,629 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Gretchen Whitmer would be a good option for the Dems.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What happened in 2020? We were told the same thing then.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,867 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    He is an horrible piece of sh1t!!

    I could say a lot more, but I don't want to be banned.

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,578 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Yes, right. https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/interactive/2021/domestic-terrorism-data/

    The numbers don't seem to support his argument, but of course the faithful will not be looking at the numbers, if he says it, its true.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Don't you know??? It's only 'terrorism' if they aren't white



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    Honestly I didn't realise til recently Haley was non Caucasian; I dunno if it's just genetic fluke or some intentional bit of presentation; either way I'd speculate her success so far might come down to her being "white enough" for a naturally prejudiced demographic.

    The Trump MAGA cult has had a persistent refusal to engage in such inconveniences as facts since day one. Let's not forget it was that administration that coined the term "alternative facts", and after all as @duploelabs noted white people can't do terrorism.



  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 7,577 Mod ✭✭✭✭pleasant Co.


    It's a good thing he never stated that BLM protestors were terrorists, multiple times, during his presidency - as that would be completely at odds with what he's saying now. Maybe he's just getting old and forgetful, a tad senile.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Frankly - Yes.

    Right now the polling reflects a general dissatisfaction with Biden and a desire for a possible alternative.

    That polling shows "others" doing better and beating Trump , comfortably in some cases.

    If Biden is the nominee (and he will be) then in my view the overwhelming majority of those people will vote for Biden in a two horse race.

    If someone says "I'd like Kamala Harris instead" or whatever today , they are not voting for Trump and they are also highly unlikely to sit the election out either because it's Biden , they know that hands Trump a win.

    All that said , the Democrats need to work to ensure that complacency doesn't happen , but the evidence of that desire to vote and keep out the GOP is clear in all the recent elections.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 17,752 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Biden is the boiled rice of politicians, knows how to build consensus, but won't make dramatic changes, so he suffers during the off-election cycle.

    But it's still funny watching the GQP loons try and manufacture outrage about him.

    trump seems to have dropped the "I'm not racist" veil entirely with his repeated emphasis on Barack WHO-SANE Obama (probably still hurt that he hasn't come up with a "in 2 weeks" solution to replace obamacare).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,331 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Media desperately trying to make a contest of the primary hyping her but she is barely hitting double digts in the polls.

    I seen something in one of the more in-depth breakdowns of polling intentions of the RDS and Trump supporters that few had her as their 2nd choice so even if somehow Trump was to drop dead tomorrow she would still struggle.

    She has done well to consolidate the Never Trump old school type Republican voter but what use is that when that base is 15% of the party best case scenario?

    She also seems unkeen to take the gloves of when it comes to Trump instead focusing all her attacks on RDS something which Trump won't mind , that's fine if you an eye on the VP slot but won't exactly turn out the voters needed to beat Trump in a primary.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,629 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    Is her best bet, that Trump doesn't get on the ballot? So then if she's in second place, in default becoming the frontrunner. Good reason to attack RDS.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 61,272 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Haley definitely running to be Trump's VP pick next year and then using this run as a testing ground for running for the nomination in 2028.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,091 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    All that talking about Biden being a crook has worked, a lot of voters think Biden and Trump are equally corrupt.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,091 ✭✭✭EltonJohn69


    Why not antony blinken for the dems ? He seems presidential



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    That's the only bet for all of them as it currently stands

    Tim Scott bailed out yesterday I see , the sooner the rest of them bail out and leave a single opponent for Trump the better . By having 4/5 of them running they are just splitting the "not Trump" vote.

    Trump is below 50% of the vote in multiple states and only barely above 50 in others.

    If there was a single opponent they could actually make a race of it. Along with the fact that if they were running at 40%+ support it might give someone confidence to actually attack Trump instead of pussy-footing around him.

    But if they stay in the race pointlessly for the 1st few States , that allows Trump to build a head of steam and a lead that won't be caught..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,644 ✭✭✭All_in_Flynn


    It will never happen cause 'Merica but Pete Buttigieg would be the person I'd like to see get the top job. Capable, intelligent and has an ability to reach through to the other side.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,021 ✭✭✭✭duploelabs


    Number of indictments for trump?


    Number of indictments for Biden?


    We're not buying, nor are the American voters, the both sides waffle



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    He has time though: he's only 41 and if he keeps his head down may yet get a crack. Though like you infer, his being gay would effectively neuter any chances of winning the Swing States.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    Newsome is probably the next Democratic candidate in 2028 but that's eons away politically so who knows.

    On the GOP side , really hard to see who the next generation is - Pre 2020 people might have looked at someone like Josh Hawley but he's a dead duck now as is DeSantis.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,233 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Like many you underestimate the damage that Robert Kennedy can and will.do to Biden. He is a proven environmentalists, lawyer and lobbyist for indigenous peoples rights. Ya all these guys vote for Trump.

    His conspiracy's theory on vaccines did not start with COVID-19 he has. Even anti vaccine since the early noughties.


    As I said complacency is a serious issue for the Democratic party. This guy is not going to take the vote of you average Redneck. He has a history of fighting environmental issues along the east coast. If he polls well in these states it not Trump he will hurt

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    He has to be watched for sure , but all evidence so far shows that he hurts Trump far more than he hurts Biden.

    Trump/Biden are neck and neck in most polling in a one on one race , introducing Kennedy gives Biden a solid lead across the board.

    Kennedy gives a certain chunk of "holding their nose" Trump voters an out that they haven't had in the last 2 cycles.



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