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What does the future hold for Donald Trump? - threadbans in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,148 ✭✭✭silliussoddius




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    Ivanka should get tested for dementia. She doesn't recall a lot. A family of absolute thugs. I actually half expected her to throw the rest of them under the bus to save what little is remaining of her socialite status. I was clearly wrong. Welcome to Pariahville.



  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    The prevailing view is that had Trump simply taken the wad of cash his father left him and invested it in a typical indexed fund he would have significantly more money than he has today.

    He is an appalling businessman blinded by arrogance ,hubris and his stunning belief in his own (no existent) abilities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,867 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Interesting point of reference in the NY civil trial...

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I remember reading an Economist collaboration with the Washington Post saying that he's only a tenth as rich as he should be. Says it all, really.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    Every single one of them is a prime example of human scum. Complete and absolute pond life, and that's being rude to pond life.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,867 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    Screenshot_20231108-221602.png

    From the hypocritical ****er who went after Hunter Biden....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    I've family members who would lap that drivel up and ask for seconds. In Ireland. It's depressing.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,473 ✭✭✭PropJoe10


    When you think of the many disgusting things that Trump has said about people over the last 8 years, and the pain he's caused to people and their families, it really is beyond belief that people are still lapping that nonsense up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,629 ✭✭✭✭Water John


    As this article shows, it's not about the GOP vote, it's about the Democrats turning out to vote. This is what happened this week in elections:




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  • Moderators, Politics Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 17,289 Mod ✭✭✭✭Quin_Dub


    They really have destroyed the word "Patriot" haven't they?

    "Patriot" now just evokes visions of mis-informed idiots frothing at the mouth over some bizarre conspiracy theory instead of what it should mean.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,867 ✭✭✭✭everlast75


    The first and last time I'll agree with Sarah Lectern Sanders....

    Elect a clown... Expect a circus



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,577 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Trumpery is normal?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,233 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    I think complacency is a huge issue. This election reminds me of the 1990 Irish presidential election. Mary Robinson was selected by the Labour party 6-9 months prior and campaigned away. She got so far ahead of the FG candidate Austin Curry that he failed to close the gab and one slip by Lenihan handed it to her.

    Trump is campaigning away building up a lead. The Democrats are starting to fight amount themselves over Gaza. If they do not get there sh!t together this is lost. Biden looks old and the American people may worry voting for him.

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 30,577 ✭✭✭✭looksee


    Maybe America needs to hit rock bottom with Trump and be obliged to gradually rebuild into a more rational society. It could take decades but probably that amount of time is needed to remove the hubris that is in US society at present.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭Rawr


    I feel that this is key to everything.

    Voter apathy (and a hatred for Clinton) gave 2016 to Trump at the end of the day. A high turnout and a desire to get Trump out of office kicked him out in 2020. The same can happen again 2024, but the vote really needs to get out to ensure that Trump loses.

    The votes this week gives me some hope that there enough level-headed Americans out there who haven't the patience for Trump or his MAGA nitwits. Despite any disappointment there might be with Biden, at least Trump is doing an excellent job of reminding moderate voters of how insufferable he would be if in office again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,199 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    Trump is building a lead, and all the polls say Trump is the favourite.

    And yet every time there is an election the MAGA's get their arse handed to them?

    What should we believe, the elections or the propaganda?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 5,234 ✭✭✭Rawr


    The very last thing we need is the most heavily armed nation in the world desending into a dysfunctional evangelical kleptocracy with an childish narcisist as their "King". America hitting a "Rock Bottom" caused by Trump would be a very serious threat to Western Democracy. Sure, American hubris does need to be taken down a few notches, but not this way.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,199 ✭✭✭✭bucketybuck


    The Trump Organization is a group of about 500 business entities of which Donald Trump used to be the sole or principal owner, before he was found guilty of fraud and the organisation served with the corporate death penalty.

    If you are going to copy and paste from Wikipedia then best to include everything.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,187 ✭✭✭ronjo


    Last night he said Kim Jon-un is the leader of China......He is going downhill so fast.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,779 ✭✭✭✭Princess Consuela Bananahammock


    Well, Clinton and Biden were both favourite to beat Trump, so...

    Everything I don't like is either woke or fascist - possibly both - pick one.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,664 ✭✭✭✭banie01


    Honestly, I know that we in Ireland had romanticised the word patriot as part of the foundational myth of the state.

    But?

    Samuel Johnson, more often famous for his Dictionary than his political essays, was right when he opined "Patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel".

    Mayhaps or own crops of revolutionaries over the course of our quest for independence are the exception that proves that rule, but in a state not under occupation or invasion? The refrain of any party as being Patriots? Must be questioned and opposed, or?

    You end up with the GOP or Likud and even worse.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Former first lady and Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said the wreckage from another Trump presidency would be “almost unimaginable” and likened the former president who beat her in the 2016 election to Adolf Hitler.

    In an interview on ABC’s “The View,” Clinton said when she was secretary of State, she saw people who would “get legitimately elected” and then would try “to do away with elections and do away with opposition.”

    “You could see it in countries where, well, Hitler was duly elected, right?” Clinton said. “And so all of a sudden somebody with those tendencies, so dictatorial authoritarian tendencies, would be like, OK, we’re going to shut this down.”

    “Trump is telling us what he intends to do,” Clinton continued. “Take him at his word.”

    https://thehill.com/blogs/in-the-know/4300089-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-2024-election-adolf-hitler-was-duly-elected/

    I find it hard to disagree. Hitler attempted a coup, got the lightest sentence possible and then returned to destroy democracy. The American right aren't going to allow Trump's abject lack of intelligence hinder them this time. They've been busy drawing up blueprints for policies and recruiting loyal and committed MAGA staffers. It will be nothing like the farce we got the first time.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 6,712 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    Yep. As you and so many other have said here, voter apathy is what's going to get him in if he gets in. GOP voters WILL vote. As is their right. As they SHOULD. GQP voters WILL vote (Sometimes more than once as their own investigation proved). And it is their right to vote (once) and they SHOULD vote. But, historically, there is an apathy among people who would vote Democrat. And, IMHO, if you believe in a cause (Right or left, up or down, in or out) and you have the right to vote on this and don't, then you are in effect voting against your opinion. I mentioned before that I was at Glastonbury when the Brexit results came in. People had the ability to vote from there even. As you can imagine, such a crowd would have mainly voted remain. To say everyone was stunned is an understatement. It was the only time I found the buzz to be bad there. I remember asking people there in conversation "God, that's a surprise result. Did ya vote yerself?" "No, I didn't think it would ever happen" or "No, it was a pain in the ass getting to the voting booth" or simply "Naaaaaaah" So if you can vote but don't vote then you have no right to complain... or boast

    So yeah, as obvious as it sounds, if the Dems don't come out and vote, he WILL get in and they'll have nobody to blame but themselves. Not trump, not the GQP but themselves.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,650 ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    A lot of this is just nonsense. Of course, it is importanet that people should vote but blaming the Dems for what America's Nazis want to do is just disingenuous.

    Also, nobody could vote from Glastonbury. You have to vote near your address here or do it by post.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    I don't think you can reasonably compare any other sober election - especially one as ambassadorial as our own Presidential election - with the American on. Especially as we're now at a point where it's less "fool me once", than it is "here we go for a third time". Trump is probably the most Known Quantity in American politics for the last 20+ years and never overestimate the DEmocrat or American Left's ability to tear itself to shreds - but still coalesce when it needs to. And while literally any other centrist, Republican candidate might take advantage of that typical disharmony, since November 2020, Trump has headed a quasi-coup and has only got more chaotic and rambling as a persona - and thats before the reality of his legal problems only growing from now.

    As was mentioned, Romney was leading in the Polls til he wasn't; heck Hillary Clinton was leading almost every credible poll then ... well, ya know. All this happened. Polls have value, undoubtedly, but in this case I don't think we can ascribe too much worry at this juncture, or concern that the Left won't hold their nose for Biden. They know what's at stake, and even with Biden at the helm have seen retrograde societal events like Roe v. Wade occur - events you can put at the feet of Trump. There'll be no complacency with a wannabe King floating about still.

    Biden's age is a problem - and there's no escaping that. You'd get one more term out of him but that's that. And what happens if an even more ailing Trump decides to run in 2028? Barring death or jail I can't imagine why he wouldn't.

    I agree in principle, but a competent and sober America off the geopolitical playing board would be a total disaster for world politics, society and the economy. By all accounts it looks like a Trump v2 would have a cabinet filled with the extremist / lunatic dregs who kept hold of Trump's coattails through the years; there are very few adults from 2016+ left.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    The last refuge of the scoundrel.



    *Edit...what Banie01 said 😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    There's a lot to be said for the Australian model of being legally obliged to vote, with a fine for those who don't. There are enough people currently and historically dying and who have died for the right to vote. A right, but also a privilege.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,764 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    Fining people who don't vote is an appalling idea.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 739 ✭✭✭ghostfacekilla


    As of January 2023, 21 countries have compulsory voting laws. The ancient Greeks were fans of the compulsory vote. There's pros and cons, like a lot of things but my opinion is that the pros outweigh the cons. There's one thing for sure, you wouldn't have to listen to anyone complaining about the state of the country who havn't voted in the last half dozen elections.



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