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Seplos BMS

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  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭ddonq1412


    If you are jumping woc quickly very unbalanced cells. You can try and get the passive balancer to help will take a lot of cycles to correct. Pull cells out and manually charge them.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 wolfbang


    @Clf , I disabled backup mode but the battery continued to operate as previous, not going in to standby, so I guess that is how it should be operating.

    One thing I have noticed is that I am getting OV_ILLC alarm just when the battery is doing final charge to 100pc and voltage goes over 56v. Is this something I should be concerned on? The alarm resets after about 30 mins. Thanks for all the help



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 Clf


    @championc makes a good point. What BMS version do you have, (10E, 10C or 10D)? Do you have the latest inverter firmware, the last update i got brought it to 470044. The combinations that work for me are:

    BMS protocol: SMA_SF | Inverter battery type: User-defined, AOBO(+0.5V), Lead Acid

    BMS protocol: GINL | Inverter battery type: User-defined, PYLON_LV, Kodak(+0.5V), Fox(+0.5V), Lead Acid

    I use PYLON_LV because it is the only combination that doesn't alter the charge voltage received from the BMS.

    The manual details an OV_ILLC alarm as "LLC Hardware Overcurrent" with solution - restart the inverter!



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 wolfbang


    I have a v2.0, I believe that maps to 10E?. The firmware version is 3E0039 so a little older than yours. I see in page 28 of this thread some contributors have made the same observation that the battery is continuously exporting a trickle KW amount. Really it is not an issue for me, I just want to ensure that charging batteries to 100% will not overly impact life of product and avoid the OV-ILLC error. For a test I reduce the overvoltage to 57V last night, trying to keep BMS voltage below 56.5V which going above seemed to trigger OV-ILLC alarm (66.7V peak on alarm), and with just this change the BMS actually does go to sleep and I had to use the reset button to get it working again this morning. Very hard to understand the control logic between the Inverter and BMS.



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 Clf


    Open a support ticket with Solis and get the inverter updated. I had that firmware version and had battery sleeping issues. When filling in the ticket be sure to tell them you have a Pylon battery and not a DIY or they wont update.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭garo


    I had a similar problem to you @wolfbang . Check if the intermittent charge setting is on. If so, turn it off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 15 wolfbang


    @garo, I just checked and it is turned on. Is it the OV-ILLC issue you encountered or the original issue I had with the battery not coming out of standby?

    @Clf , I got the firmware updated today. Will see how it goes tomorrow morning. Thanks for the tip



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Just hooked up my 2 seplos battery packs to my sunsynk inverter and now I can only connect to the "slave" battery using battery monitor. I can't get any connection to the master battery any longer. Only thing that's changed is that the master battery is now connected to the inverter through the CAN port but battery monitor uses the RS485 ports. What am I doing wrong?



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    Nothing. That's the way it is. Goodness knows why they didn't gives access to the Master - bonkers really



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Oh how bizarre! At least it's not something I've done.......



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 wolfbang


    @Clf , @garo I check this morning and everything seems to be working as expected but I would like your input on spike I am seeing on the voltage just as it charges from 99 to 100%. The voltage spikes up to 57.45V. Should the BMS overvoltage protection setting (set to 56.5V, protection switch disabled) not tell the inverter to not let charge voltage above 56.5V. I have the inverter overvoltage at 60v as per @Clf settings. I had been recommended by another source to set the inverter overvoltage to <58V but this seems to cause the BMS to go in to standby and stay there.

    Does the behaviour in the graph look correct?




  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Anybody know what this error message means? It appeared after a cell over voltage protection shut down when charging.




  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭ddonq1412


    You should be able to see both batteries in battery monitor. You need to switch the pack light. I can see mine my Bluetooth will only allow me to connect to master pack. As it is listed as bp00.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Not sure what you're trying to say....."switch the pack light" ??

    I can connect to each pack but they have this error message. Do you know what it means and how I can get rid of it?



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭ddonq1412


    You stated you could not connect to the slave earlier. Once connected to the master. If you click on pack 1 on right hand side it should connect to that pack.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    As I said in my earlier post, you can't connect to both packs when you have the master connected to the inverter on CAN and bluetooth is not an option.

    Anyway, my issue is the error message



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭ddonq1412


    You can connect up to 16 packs with battery monitor. Max I have had is 3 on connection. Is the message not relating to it's at 100% and needs to taper off before it can draw back from grid or solar



  • Registered Users Posts: 77 ✭✭ddonq1412


    Intermittent power supply comes on when the BMS hits 96% is about the mos tube turns it's self on and off.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    What does it mean when the cell symbols on the left hand side of battery monitor are flashing?

    Is it the passive balancer doing something?



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    This is really weird, but hopefully in a good way!

    After having to disconnect comms cables from inverter and battery to sort out RS485 connections, now everything is reconnected I have the master battery BMS communicating with the inverter but I can now also connect to BOTH battery packs in Battery Monitor.

    I'm not sure why this now works but I have a suspicion it is to do with the CAN connection on the battery. Previously all 8 pins were connected between inverter and master battery CAN/RS485 connection. Since I needed to make up a cable to split out the RS485 pins from the inverter, only the CAN pins 4/5 are connected to the battery, and none of the other pins.

    I'm thinking that with the battery not sensing any RS485 connection on the dual CAN/RS485 port it doesn't then disable comms with the master battery and allows master and any slave batteries to be seen in battery monitor via the standard RS485 ports. Not sure if this is a bug in the firmware or an unintended consequence. Hopefully the latter.

    Certainly makes it far easier to monitor and reconfigure any BMS settings without having to constantly haul myself up and down the loft ladder to swap cables about between batteries.

    Hope that helps others having similar frustrations with battery monitor and multiple battery packs.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,412 ✭✭✭randombar


    Hi Folks,

    Just as an FYI I've one of these for sale if anyone's interested.

    Just gathering dust in my place.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    Interesting. So on the SEPLOS End, the cable towards the inverter is just using pins 4 & 5 (on the RJ45) ?



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Yes that’s it, just pins 4 and 5, the middle two



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 Clf


    Thats how i have it setup also. Split out the CAN H&L lines and RS485 from the CAN port, i have the H&L lines diverted to a CAN hat on a raspberry pi to read out the comms to the inverter, useful for problem solving. With a Solis inverter you can use Waveshare RS485 to ETH devices to read data from each BMS and maintain the cloud stick.



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Thats exactly what I'm doing - RS485/Modbus connection direct to my Sunsynk inverter. I have to say, now I've got the connection sorted (cough), the info I'm getting out in real time and into my Loxone system is great. I won't need either the Sunsynk app or their cloud system in future as everything will be local.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,284 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    Everything local, plan for services to fail 😂.

    Only thing I have is the tado..



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Yep, internet goes down..........no problem as I don't rely on cloud services. Mind you, kids will have a whinge as no streaming TV or music. LOL



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Seplos BMS v2 Charging Current Restricted to 100A

    I have one of my Seplos battery packs connected to my Sunsynk 8kW inverter but even though I set the inverter to charge at 150A (0.5C on a 304Ah pack) it seems like the BMS is restricting the actual charge to only 100A according to the BMS page on the inverter.

    I've looked at the BMS settings but can't see anything which suggests this current limit is changeable so don't know why a 200A BMS is restricting the charge current. The only thing I did see was that there is a function switch in battery monitor for setting "Single BMS 1.0C Charging" but worried that it's the wrong thing to switch on.

    Any thoughts?



  • Registered Users Posts: 36 Clf


    Yes turn that on, it will set the limit at the input value less 10A. When it’s off it halves the charge limit. Looks like your BMS is set at 200A, change to 160A and turn on single 1C, to give 150A limit



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  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Do you know which parameter number is the one i need to change?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭garo


    Yes this is normal. Once one of your cells reaches capacity it's voltage increases rapidly. Since your overvoltage cutoff is 60A it is more likely that one of your cells is hitting the monomer overvoltage and causing the charging to stop. I'm not sure why it isn't respecting the 56.5V overvoltage protection setting. Maybe because you have the protection switch disabled?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,874 ✭✭✭garo


    It's the battery not coming out of standby that needs that intermittent charging setting turned off.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 758 ✭✭✭buzz11



    Has anyone a DC power supply that they'd be willing to lend? I want to top balance newly arrived cells, I can make the shipping as easy as possible, maybe a prepaid label or courier pickup, whichever works best.

    Cheers 👍️

    edit; cancel that, I see they are super cheap to buy online.

    Post edited by buzz11 on


  • Registered Users Posts: 15 wolfbang


    @garo It has been about 3 weeks or so since I got the firmware update and applied the recommendations proposed by yourself and @Clf and everything is working perfectly. Since updates I was able to reduce over voltage to 57v in inverter and I no longer see the spike. Very happy with how it is working and thanks to you and @Clf for the help.

    I am not getting shading on some of my panels for the last week or so now that the sun is low. Now investigating if it is worth getting optimizes or not for those panels 😊



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    Don't both with optimizers. In fact, look at your output and compare, and I am quite sure you'll see that there is feck all difference

    Bypass diodes are there for a reason !!!



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  • Registered Users Posts: 15 wolfbang


    That is what I taught. I taught I would have little to worry about but for example yesterday, a cold but beautiful sunny day, once the shading was hitting the panels I was only getting as low as 200Ws on a 10x420W array. I have photos of the shading and output from the solis cloud that can be overlayed to show the corresponding drop with the shading. I wonder is there anywhere more suitable I could post the pictures to discuss further. I am conscious that this thread is for Seplos BMSs and not for shading issues :).



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,181 ✭✭✭championc


    Optimizers were used when one panel out of an entire array gets shaded - not for when the whole array is shaded.

    What I meant was that you look at the output when they are ALl in sunshine vs when they are all in sunshine as maybe one is affected by a shade that passes over the array



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    Now I have my two Seplos batteries hooked up to my Sunsynk 8kW inverter and have done the charge/discharge cycle to calibrate the capacity, to maintain battery condition I'm going to use a charge rate of around 0.5C but also want to limit the minimum/maximum SOC levels to avoid the "knee" at either end of the cell charge/discharge curve.

    What would be the ideal settings to use in the BMS/Inverter? Is it just a simple case of setting inverter limits to say a range of 15-95% or should I aim for something slightly lower? If I set the %SOC in the inverter do I then just leave the BMS settings as the defaults?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭reklamos


    Hi all,

    I've been disconnected from boards for a while. I got multiple Seplos couple years ago and they've been running fine. In one of the setup I've changed inverter to Deye and seplos does not want to work properly with it. Charging from grid works fine but discharging is acting weird. Seplos is in reboot cycle and I'm seeing F21 errors. Seplos on 2.9 firmware but I've seen 16.1 which has more CAN protocols that include Deye. Any help appreciated.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,284 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    What is the current CAN settings you are using for the seplos?

    Is the errors on the deye side or the seplos



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  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Scoopsire


    Where's best to purchase Seplos BMS from? Frogstar have stock but they're UK based which is a pain



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭S'


    I’ve a Seplos 10e Bluetooth 150a BMS.. Never used, new in box.

    €180 delivered. PM if interested.

    They are €220 on AliExpress and take a few weeks on delivery



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,482 ✭✭✭DC999


    No harm to plonk that on the renewable for sale thread.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 793 ✭✭✭reklamos


    Errors were on deye side but I think hat was related to wrong CAN setting. On seplos CAN is set to Sofar. on Deye Lithium mode set to 00  SHEnergy.

    The battery works fine in dumb mode. Also it does charge fine in Lithium mode but only when needs to discharge seplos starts rebooting.

    I see that new v3 seplos has more options for CAN protocols.



  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭Scoopsire


    Thanks for that, currently looking at getting version 3 which has active balancing



  • Registered Users Posts: 41 Rob99


    I understand that the v3 active balancer is a seperate element and not automatically included with the BMS so make sure you also specify the active balancer when you order the BMS.



  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 6,284 Mod ✭✭✭✭graememk


    the inverter shouldnt be causing the bms to restart.. I dont think so anyway. there is rs485 on that port and the seplos port too, so possibly could you make a cable from seplos to deye that only has pins 4 and 5 connected (generally the blue and blue/white) to eliminate that posibilty



  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭jumpin jack


    I'm totally confused. Would anyone know the DIP Switch settings to get 4 280Ah battery packs connected?

    Many thanks



  • Registered Users Posts: 52 ✭✭Sligobuck


    Master at Top, all the diagrams are in the User Manual



  • Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭jumpin jack


    Thank you for such a quick response!

    I have one more question. 2 of the battery packs are the old BMS 10 C type and 2 are the new Bluetooth BMS 10 E, is it OK to parallel this type of combination?

    Many thanks again.



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