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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Due to construction reasons I can't shed until mid dec so I will continue the ad lib until then they seem to be really laying it down now lately. Also due to order reasons I Was unable to start creeping the calves until sept so that's why I didn't get them sold before now, will be better prepared from next year.

    I'll keep them as bulls and hope the exporters will be still buying weanlings. I have some hay to feed them and some arable silage ( peas and barley) once they get settled in and weaned.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They will probably be too heavy to export to the high value markets. They may be too old to fatten for the U16 month market and them fat soft bulls shrink when squeezed. I buy a few of them and even this year was able to buy them at 2-2.3/ kg.

    As well the demand is for grass cattle not heavy bulls that will shrink when squeezed. If you leave as bulls and continue to ad-lib the sell in December/ January, maybe February after that unless there is export demand you will be losing money.

    What weight and age are they now. Are they eating 3+kgs/ head/ day?

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭Who2


    Weanlings are back a bit alright, last year I held some back and moved them from February on. They got a good do over the winter on whole crop and meal. (Suckler bred) I sold them from 10-13 months old between 1500- 1960 euro, so I was happy enough. I’ve a batch of April calves just gone into the shed and I’ll be selling them in mid February unless I get a good offer in the shed.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Fair play that's a good price for them calves. What weight did you get them into? the best of mine are now between 300-350 have smaller ones near 250 so hoping to add 100kg between now and April maybe more we see how they do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭Who2


    I had them from 440-590 kg. If they are half decent suckler bred stock it pays to feed. This years bunch will get 2.5kg meal and ad-lib whole crop peas, oats and barley silage for the next while and I’ll reassess at Christmas. These are averaging 330kg now.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Jesus that’s big weights they will be going on to be killed as young bulls at them weights. You must be getting 1.5-2kg daily weight gain on some of your better calfs so are you?? Bulls can really lay it down when they get going



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,881 ✭✭✭Cavanjack




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,211 ✭✭✭mr.stonewall


    Exactly my thinking. All the heavy lifting is done on them



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭Who2


    I wasn’t quality assured I would have been messing around bringing ones and twos and just hadn’t the time due to other commitments .



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,371 ✭✭✭Sheep breeder


    A couple of years back myself and a neighbour were locked with TB this time of year and had to carry the weanlings till the spring till we got clear, we both fed them well for the winter and early spring and sold March, ours were heavier that the neighbours born two months earlier both of us had top Charolais bred stock and when we both sold we got great prices with a lot going for shipping. When we done our sum’s we had the dung and the work left extra from what we would have got in the autumn after expenses,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    These are the best if the bulls I'm feeding and will keep them over the winter. They are only getting creep since early sept.

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    This lad of off CH4320 and SIxFR dam. was 260kg at the end of August.


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    This lad was 235kg at the end of August. He's off the bull Omega and a Fifty cent dam. Looks abit bellish in that photo but must be my poor camera skills.


    What do you think I should do with them squeeze them or keep as bulls. Keeping them as bulls would be my preference and sell in Mar/April



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 3,271 ✭✭✭50HX


    Squeeze & good silage only, sell off of grass next summer.

    Bull market is v unpredictable & they'd want to be alot heavier assuming march/April d.o.b for that market.

    Nice coats on them will they be out wintered?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    They will be out until mid December and then they will be shed (kinda) have a new tank but no roof so they will be out wintered. They are on ad-lib meal at the moment won't take them off that until they are in as they should be in only for winter accommodation now being ready on time.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 113 ✭✭Mr..


    If you wanted you could leave some as bulls and leave them ad lib meal and sell at around a year old, squeeze the rest and give them some meal @limo_100



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,337 ✭✭✭148multi


    Fifty cent tended to bring them a rib short with gut.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭tanko




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Have one cow and one calf and they are nice stock but would say he breeds bait plain if anything but still nice female stock.

    Can't get this photo the right way round. but this is a fifty cent heifer born mid April and weighted almost 200kg in august

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    Wonder how many Kg's they would eat ad-lib a day would they put away 10kg a day?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,531 ✭✭✭tanko


    True, he works best on smaller well muscled cows i find. Earp is a super bull but would be a bit harder calved.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,258 ✭✭✭Who2


    I wouldn’t agree with ad lib on young animals like that over the winter. 4-6 kg and good silage should see them well on for the final few months where they can go onto ad lib then..



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I have used him have a few of them as cows. I used lynx this year so hopefully he turns out ok seems to be doing his stuff anyway.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    I will be getting the silage tested so will know how much to give them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Barron lad


    I put in my cows and bull calves two weeks ago and have the calves going back onto a creep with access to ad lib meal and hay, Will be moving them in the middle of December for the export market, born end of march/ April weighed last week heaviest was 356kgs back to 3 heifers claves around 260kgs, Hope to get them to average 350kgs before the go. If i was keeping them any longer I wouldn't have them ad lib.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭limo_100


    That's good seems like a good set up. how many Kg's on average are they putting away a day?

    Will them heifers make the 350Kg by dec? seems bit to far behind are they.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 106 ✭✭Barron lad


    I couldn't really tell you how much they are eating, Just throw in another bucket whenever it seems to be getting low, they are all bulls just 3 of them are out of first calved heifers. they wont make 350kgs but its the average i'm working off over the lot, so that should be achievable.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme


    Are the shippers active in the mart's at the moment, a neighbour has a few spring 21 Friesian bull's, he would usually have squeezed them last spring but his health wasn't the best earlier in the year, and he's not sure what his options are now, he has good facilities to winter them if needed, to castrate them now would be a job for the vet with a scalpel I think



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    They are over 30 months not to mind 24 months. They be killed as stock bulls no matter where they go. I do not think exporters take bulls that old in general. What weight are they

    Slava Ukrainii



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,416 ✭✭✭tabby aspreme




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 21,167 ✭✭✭✭Bass Reeves


    Get them castarated. If they are under 450 kgs they can be squeezed. He needs to make sure they are vaccinated against blackleg and tetanus as well vets give a shot of LA antibiotics to cattle that old being squeezed.bthey will need a pain killer as well. Again I do not know if these sort of cattle are being exported at present. If they are heavier than 500kgs and have a bit of flesh a finisher may buy them if there is 100+ days before they hit 24 months.

    Really they should have been sold as bulls last August/ September unless he intended to finish himself

    Slava Ukrainii



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,718 ✭✭✭Anto_Meath


    I would say Bass is right & it might be best to squeeze them and sell as bullocks in the spring. He could always give https://www.viastar.ie/ (046923233) a call and see if they are interested. I know they had a shed full of Fr bulls in a few weeks back getting them ready for shipping.



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