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Why don't Irish pubs sell snacks?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    The HSE quote EU standard regulations. But go into a bar in Spain and it's interpreted a lot more leniently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,025 ✭✭✭Sultan of Bling


    The pint of Guinness is really good in there imo.

    Never understood the fuss on the sandwich, though I prefer one of them to the "beef dripping chips", you see on pub menus nowadays.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    I wish you could get a bite to eat in a pub for 9 quid these days. Prices are through the absolute roof since the days of the €9 "substantial meal".



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,108 ✭✭✭CGI_Livia_Soprano
    Holding tyrants to the fire


    Do you not have an off switch? You’re always whinging.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭JVince


    The regulations are not onerous if you are doing a half decent trade in food. Even €1000 a week food sales would be worth it.

    But for a sideline, the sales are not there and you'd have a fair level of food waste and add in the regulations and you have a loss making sideline



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭bog master


    I would think €1000 a week is a sideline. You may need to hire extra staff for serving and cleaning, even 3-4 hours a day by a wage cost of say €15 per hour would well eat into that €1000-and NO PUN INTENDED!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,764 ✭✭✭✭Strumms


    just speaking from my own locals perspective… there just wouldn’t be room.

    Parisian bars are mostly table service. You don’t have people thronging around the bar ordering drinks, you sit for the most part and order.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭Geuze


    In the three pubs I mentioed, the same staff served beer as served the food.

    No chefs, no waiters.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,235 ✭✭✭enricoh


    Used to get sandwiches in a plastic wrapper that they put into toaster, wrapper n all years ago. Hit the spot when a bit of soakage was required.

    Some jobsworth from the HSE probably put a stop to it! Was over in Italy recently n one corner of the bar had a bottle of gas n a few hobs knocking out grub. They'd be condemned n closed over here!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,914 ✭✭✭JVince


    Exactly, even doing €1,000 a week on very basic offering of sandwiches/ pies (we don't really eat pies here) and a gross margin of 65%, it would most likely be loss making



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,706 ✭✭✭joebloggs32



    Like that I worked in a pub with a proper coffe machine, i used to hate it when someone ordered a cappuccino or Irish coffee as you knew it would create a dominoe effect and you'd be stuck to make a liad of them.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,042 ✭✭✭bog master


    You did I will admit. I am coming from a rural, local pub perspective. Generally one staff on. If anyway busy, one staff is not enough to serve drink and do minimal food preparation and service and clearing of tables. Again I will note there are posters from large urban areas and their pubs (generally quite large) and those of us in rural Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    The Grogan's toasties are all pre-made and popped into the toaster by the barman/maid once ordered.

    They're bog-standard, as others have said but at a fiver each, probably the cheapest sambo in town by a long shot. If you're having a few pints, get a bit peckish but don't fancy a full feed, I can see the appeal.



  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 31,026 Mod ✭✭✭✭Insect Overlord


    You'd miss the 02:15 toasties in Costello's in Limerick after a night of beer-pong and moshing to indie rock upstairs in a funky cloud of secondhand smoke.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Many publicans only want to serve drink.

    €7 pints and cover bands has its share of the market too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,605 ✭✭✭Tork


    I'd say the regulations have a lot to do with it. A pub near me used to do a good trade at lunchtime, selling soup and fresh sandwiches etc. They decided to stop doing them after a visit from some sort of inspector. The choice was to either spend thousands upgrading the existing kitchen or stop doing the lunches they had been selling. They started doing a cut down version of lunch for a while (might have just been the soup) but then they stopped.

    It's a real shame. It'd be lovely to have the option of going to a tapas bar or similar. I guess bar owners aren't willing to take a chance on it, knowing how much it'll cost to get going. There's no guarantee it's a viable business model either.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,598 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    An old local of mine used to do soup and sandwiches in the noughties, and chips, cocktail sausages and gougons on big sporting occasions. They also served lunch Mon-Fri. The bar staff used to let locals go out to the kitchen to make their own when they were busy in the bar.

    The kitchen was always spotless, but the bar staff didn't have time to prepare food when it was busy. It was a popular pub so they were busy most of the time.

    They stopped serving food after a few years, probably due to regulations. No one ever got food poisoning though.





  • What was with the plastic on the toasties? It was horrible.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 268 ✭✭Aurelian


    Spain are brilliant at bar food. Every bar has someone in the back cooking.

    Every bar is open for coffee and toasted breads etc in the morning too.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Probably regulation. Parents friends had a restaurant said the food safety regulations and checks were rigorous. Glad of this over all as hopefully can be assured that we are getting safe food when we eat out. Reminded of the recent case in Paris of botulism over canned / preserved sardines. Can never be too careful around food safety I think,



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,564 ✭✭✭✭breezy1985


    The blaming of the HSE thing is horsesht. Lots of "probably" and "I'de say" going on.

    Loads of pubs with little or no kitchens are still doing toasties.

    The Guinness everywhere is average. This "good/bad Guinness pub" idea is one of the great bullsht myths of the Irish pub.

    And here we have the real reason. Most Irish publicans want to keep it simple and are adverse to change. It's gotten a lot better but trying to convince them to stock an unusual beer or a bag of something not tayto/bacon fries was mind numbing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭babyducklings1


    Yes you’re right was Bordeaux. Dreadful thing to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,025 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    The whole point of the OP. The option of cheap snacks, not just bags of stale King crisps, peanuts or a meal costing about a tenner.

    If publicans are too lazy or unimaginative to diversify out of the booze only model, they will find themselves pulling down the shutters.

    A lot of pubs here just want to fill people up with drink, crank up the way too loud music to stop the talk and increase drinking and throw them out at the end of the night, bar the doors and let them be someone else's problem. The lack of and cost of non alcoholic drinks is another bugbear.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,654 ✭✭✭KaneToad


    Visited a friend in a midlands town the other week. Had a few pints in the pub. Ordered food from their menu. It came from the take away a few doors up.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,646 ✭✭✭✭Dial Hard


    There's a few places in Dublin doing similar. The 108 in Rathgar. The Jar on Wexford St. It's win-win, in fairness.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,942 ✭✭✭Montage of Feck


    Why do we have to be such ninnies for regulations, the same regs that apply in France and Spain?

    🙈🙉🙊



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,025 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Have seen this done, it's a very good compromise, a great way of keeping both businesses open by working together.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 10,532 Mod ✭✭✭✭squonk


    If you’re a public why be imaginative or even innovative? If the punters start voting with their feet you just get your rep association to lobby govt. who will breed over faster than a tree in a hurricane and tax or regulate out of existence whatever the punters are doing.

    It may be the case that the good pub has moved on and gone more upmarket in the main but I frequented a local fur soup and a toasted regularly when I worked in dun laoire back in The 2000s. I can’t see why this isn’t still an option.

    Publics might feel they aren’t getting the footfall to justify doing simple food and complying with bee regulations. They don’t see that the Orleans stems from their lobbying and trying to protect their outdated model as well as price gouging on drinks. The people they should be lobbying are the breweries. Mind you they are week able to charge themselves too. Offer good value and you’ll get the punters. At €7 a point and maybe €20 for a meal now even the pub is a luxury in the current climate.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,232 ✭✭✭waterwelly


    Plenty of pubs getting along just fine with just drink, music, sport etc. and no food.

    I know of places that went into food and the drinks trade disappeared. Still doing fine with the food too though.



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