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RTÉ admits paying Tubridy €345,000 more than declared

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,456 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    If this was any other business, with such debts, there would be an immediate chat to the staff, with everyone having to accept a pay cut of 10% or whatever, to help the company survive.



  • Posts: 9,954 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    They have already done that. Everyone took a cut except Tubbs. At this stage they need to cut staff. There are between 1,800 and 2,500 staff, depending on the source. The question is how many.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc


    Cowen was a liability because he was arranging a leadership challenge to Mehole Martin with Jim O'Callaghan being the replacement. Covid made it necessary to have Zoom meetings rather than face to face meetings. Hogan had become a liability for FG due to his antics over the Water Tax scam. His usual arrogance landed him in trouble over Covid restrictions. It made FFG look bad in Brussels.

    Regards...jmcc



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    Exactly.

    It has to be underlined that RTE is in debt for years and years now.

    And they still give ludicrous salaries to mediocre presenters. Claire Byrne on nearly 300 grand a year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    Very simply the problem with RTE is this.

    The public will see €50-60 million spaffed to bail them out, money which would be much better used to help those in real need.

    The will see the fact that paying ‘the talent ‘way in excess of the wedge they might normally achieve “to hold onto them”is blown out of the water by Tubridys experience, and shown that managements from way back especially the most recent one were quite content to keep this myth going.

    I would predict that any Govt who doled out that kind of money to RTE without addressing those issues properly, would suffer bigtime at the polls…and they know it.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭robwen


    SF could give Tubridy's cousin Catherine Martin's job make everything rosy for him



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,557 ✭✭✭jmcc




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭robwen




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    While his banishment may not be for all eternity, I find it hard to see Tubs returning in any substantial way while Bakhurst is running the show. IMO doing that would severely undermine KB's authority and credibility as the man to lead RTE to a bright new future



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,210 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly



    His credibility is already out the window - nothing has changed in RTE in all the months he's been in power bar a recruitment freeze (that isn't really a freeze)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,456 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    I think KB has already shown that he hasn't the credibility or authority to be that man.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 322 ✭✭plastic glass


    I like Claire Byrne and she works hard. 300k is a lot of money but I’m not sure what the cap should be on one of the best current affairs presenters in the country.

    rte radio in particular have a lot of good presenters. Let’s not tar everyone with the same brush as tubs. He did absolutely no work, had a team of researchers and his show was light entertainment. He never really had to as “the difficult questions” or even moderate a debate



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,691 ✭✭✭dubrov


    The equivalent presenter on Virgin is probably on 100k and has a fraction of the support staff.

    If they were to have RTÉ top presenter salaries, I don't think the lineup would be much different



  • Posts: 12,694 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It's peculiar but for a bunch of media people or maybe it's the navel gazing. The vast majority of the public are entirley uninterested in RTE or even The indo, it's yesterdays news.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 402 ✭✭head82


    I haven't read the entire article due to a paywall. I just watched the 2 minute video clip but I'm just as baffled as you are by these 'new revelations'.

    It's highly likely that my take on the €120,000 'Loyalty' payment has been wrong all this time but here's my understanding of it:

    1. RTEs' and NKM definition of 'Loyalty' fee are conflicting. RTE would pay the fee at the end of the 2019 contract if they had required Tubridys' services for more than the agreed hours in his regular contract. As no additional services were required, RTE felt they didn't have to pay the additional fee. NKM however, defined the fee as a 'use it or lose it'. Essentially a 'retainer'.
    2. Tubridy and NK were not prepared to forego this payment despite Tubridys claim of waiving it (with no credible explanation given as to why) at the PAC hearings. RTE had to somehow find a way to get this payment to Tubridy without officially declaring it as it would have increased his fee above the officially stated amount. Hence, the payments made to NKM for 'consultancy' as invoiced thru the barter account during the pandemic years.

    Admittedly, there maybe some holes in my theory but in my defense, there's an awful lot of feckin' holes in RTEs' explanation as well! As for the Indo's take on the matter.. well it's difficult to know what to believe considering their recently adopted pro Tubridy agenda.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,970 ✭✭✭✭Loafing Oaf


    Maybe Bakhurst himself doesn't truly believe he is capable of delivering significant reform at RTE and may not even be seriously trying to do that. But as we move towards a general election, his political masters have to be able to make the case to Joe Public, even in a fairly threadbare way, that serious change is under way at RTE under Bakhurst and that's why the optics of bringing back Tubridy in a full-time basis, for the nexr couple of years anyway, would be disastrous...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    There doesn't need to be a cap, what there needs to be is an actual realignment with Irish media market rates. Do we really think there is another media organisation out there willing to pay €295k for Claire Byrne's services.

    I think not.

    The big salaries in RTE for the "talent" were ego driven on behalf of management, not market driven.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,396 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Isn’t all this slightly irrelevant? Tubs spin team/indo seem to be forgetting completely that tubs didn’t get sacked or scapegoated by RTE because of his dodgy dealings and who did what, he got sacked because of his own idiocy and shat all over the hand that feeds him. They’ve lost sight completely of the fact that he was walking back into the job without even so much as a slap on the wrist, who cares who knew or who did what.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭arctictree


    Maybe pedantic but since Tubridy is not an employee he wasnt really sacked, just his contract wasnt renewed. And hes supposed to have other clients anyway!



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,435 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    We all work hard .

    She gets about 12 weeks off a year. She's been off the last week or more.

    She's not worth almost 300 grand.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 151 ✭✭seanrambo87


    I'm a sole trader. So in the same sphere. If it happened to me it is still a sacking just with a different tax setup and related obligations. I'd say you're being pedantic.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,146 ✭✭✭MrMusician18


    She's only worth whatever someone else is willing to pay her.

    What do you think Byrne would get at newstalk, which is really her only other home.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I think that’s very low TBH for an experienced and current affairs presenter - I actually don’t see an issue with 300k if the presenter knows their onions and can ask the tough questions - this is the national broadcaster so we need good people there to hold politicians etc to account.

    Now if you said 300k for a morning radio show for an hour where the presenter just talks drivel and does soft interviews with nobodies then yeah that would be totally taking the pizz



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,462 ✭✭✭Field east


    Re your first paragraph , RT has had the opportunity for 20 years + to deliver such a presentation and has failed to do so 100%. He is incapable of asking the tough questions or holding anyone to account. It’s just not in him.

    fe second para, yes he is good at presenting drivel, hot air, etc. so I’ ll give him 80%.

    there are moves here on boards to slowly walk him back into RTE. Why not give someone else a chance. He has made his money and if he has it all spent well that’s his problem. There is plenty of raw and some experienced talent out there only to be given a chance. Why not run a programme like Strictly Dancing or those singing competitions to find a presenter. They, for example, interview live some local ‘ celebrity from their area.

    NO ONE IS IRREPLACABLE



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar


    I agree to a certain extent.

    When Pat Kenny and Sean O`Rourke were in the chair the show had clout and gravitas and was to be reckoned with.

    There was no whoring the 51551no. no requesting "your views"no stupid inserts about 'which leg do you put into your trousers first' coupled with

    fake laughter and clueless so called 'banter'.

    The problem is that the dorks doing the current shows expect the same wedge.

    Clare Byrnes show is as bland as a plastic deck chair and as for Drivetime ....total disaster with the production values of the Irish Sun.

    RTE need to get their asses in gear as John Q Taxpayer won't stand for window dressing.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    eh just so we’re clear here, I’m not advocating a Tubridy return and I didn’t even point in that direction - just so you are aware. Not sure what what prompted you to say that based on quoting my post.

    As for efforts on boards to bring Tubridy back, I haven’t seen any serious attempts to do that bar a couple of trolls making mischief which are merely entertaining more than anything



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,450 ✭✭✭✭Brendan Bendar




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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,693 ✭✭✭Oscar_Madison
    #MEGA MAKE EUROPE GREAT AGAIN


    I’m kindof with you with Byrne but she seems to have her followers and as for drive time, for donkeys years it was one of the most serious shows on radio, completely lacking a sense of humour and thriving in misery, death, taxes, housing, poverty - you name the misery and they were there- but I’d much prefer that to the sh1t show that’s being produced now.

    edit- jezuz damn boards and its stupid predictive text



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