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General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

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  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You have to wonder at this stage when will they start firing these refs/VARs such is the level of incompetence. It's a really simple decision by the handball laws as they now stand. I've heard them say the talent isn't there in the referees lower down the ladder in English football - I'd hate to think how poor those guys are if that really is the case.

    The fact that it has no effect on the final result shouldn't take away from how awful a decision that is.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,972 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    The talent isn't there in the refereeing of the Premier League. The standard has dropped remarkably in the last ten years.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭doc_17


    That was the correct call for the Palace goal. Remember that VAR is only meant to intervene in the event of a clear and obvious error. From many camera angles at a slowed down rate, it wasn’t obvious that the ball hit his hand. Correct decision .



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Looking at the YouTube quick highlights reel, it's as clear as day a handball by the rules (intentional handball has nothing to do with it as Ayew is the scorer). The ball is crossed to Ayew, he attempts to chest it down in front of him, it hits him on the upper chest and then as the ball is on the way down its hits him around the wrist/upper hand area. This makes the ball sit beautifully in front of him for the shot at goal. Without the intervention of his wrist/hand, his chest down was heading a yard or 2 to the left and away from goal.

    It's an appalling VAR decision given the cameras and tv shots they have available. Imagine if that game was 1-0 when that went in. There would be riots and rightly so.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭doc_17


    You don’t understand the rules for a VAR intervention in this case. You say it’s clear as day, well, if VAR has to look at many replays from multiple angles, then it isn’t a clear and obvious error - and that’s the bar for intervention. Goal stands, correctly.



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  • Posts: 1,045 ✭✭✭ Van Tall Cemetery


    Hah. The refs don't understand var as well if you believe what you wrote



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    Go to the PL YouTube highlights of the match. The first or second replay of the goal shows quite clearly what has happened (exactly as I have described it in the above post). The ball hits Ayews chest, and on the way down it then hits his upper hand/wrist. No ifs, buts or maybes. No absolute rubbish about clear and obvious. It hits his hand. This is a fact, it is not my opinion.

    Your post is nonsense and it's exactly the kind of guff the PL refs and VAR consistently hide behind after horrendous mistakes. In one way, it's a pity this game wasn't 1-0 when this happened and Spurs dropped points as it would mean this ridiculous decision would get the scrutiny it deserves and the VAR would be stood down for a few games at a minimum (I still hope this does happen).



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 41,972 ✭✭✭✭eagle eye


    It was obvious because the ball changed direction from when it hit his chest to when it landed on the ground.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,244 ✭✭✭kowloonkev


    Yeah because most 76 year olds are wearing adult diapers, mumbling and drooling in a wheelchair. Was he giving a lecture on astrophysics or what?

    Simon Harris is monitoring the situation...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭doc_17


    I’m sorry lads, can’t agree with you. I’m not saying it didn’t hit his hand. I’m just saying that the referee didn’t make a clear and obvious error, which is the bar for intervention. And there was a similar one I think with Anthony Gordan a few weeks ago where it hit his hand but it wasn’t deemed deliberate and the goal stood.



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  • Posts: 45,738 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It wasn't that obvious tbh. Otherwise it would have been quickly reviewed, rather than the few minutes that it took.

    If it takes more than 15/20 seconds with super slow mo cameras it ain't clear and obvious.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    You have to laugh when someone says you don't understand how VAR and their clear and obvious criteria works and in the next sentence they reference whether a handball situation was accidental or deliberate (showing they have no understanding at all of current football rules). The ball cannot touch Ayews hand, deliberately or accidentally as he is the goalscorer, it's a black and white rule. No interpretation needed.

    So the only question for VAR is once Ayew has scored, did it touch his hand? I'll say it again, look at the YouTube highlights reel. It is clear as day by the second replay that it hits his hand. I genuinely am not sure what people are looking at. Not alone is the decision to award the goal wrong, it's appalling as it's so clearly wrong. This wasn't a subjective call, no need to interpret accidental or deliberate handball, so it shouldn't have taken more than 2 replays and 20 seconds for VAR to rule the goal out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭doc_17


    Hello. If it clearly hit his hand it would have been disallowed. That is how VAR works. Darwin had one last year against Newcastle away. That is the way.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,197 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    West London Derby just got interesting, Brentford take the lead on the hour mark.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,677 ✭✭✭doc_17


    It’s 3 points that Brentford badly need too. Brentford have themselves well set up and Chelsea are finding it difficult.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,301 ✭✭✭✭klose


    Chelsea are sh!te, need another 200+million worth of forwards by the looks



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,952 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    It's funny to see how bad they actually are after all the money they've spent.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,197 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    0-2 breakaway goal.

    Delighted. Chelsea need a few more players.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Poch isn't weaving any magic.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,197 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    That's 3 away wins in a row v Chelsea for Brentford, who go above them in the league.

    Chelsea go outside the top 10.

    Not in a good place after all their money spent.

    Poch could well be in a bit of trouble if it continues much longer.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,734 ✭✭✭TheRona


    Ridiculous that Sanchez was the only Chelsea player that even made an effort to get back.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,166 ✭✭✭✭nullzero
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    They're blessed United are such a circus, keeps the media attention off them.

    Things need to change quickly at Chelsea or it could begin to go seriously pear shaped.

    It's a good case study of how throwing shed loads of money at a football club doesn't equal automatic success.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,394 ✭✭✭✭Osmosis Jones


    Chelsea do have a lot of injuries but you'd think the idea behind all that money spent is to have enough talent to cover for those injured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,876 ✭✭✭✭Fitz*


    Ethan Pinnock (3) has more wins at Stamford Bridge than Enzo Fernandez (2) has.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    In the last 7 months, Brentford have more Premier League wins at Stamford Bridge than Chelsea. Just heard that on NBC. Ouch.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,093 ✭✭✭Xander10


    Thomas Franks is great to listen to in interviews



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,472 ✭✭✭theoneeyedman


    Lampard checking to make sure his phone is fully charged......



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,755 ✭✭✭✭pjohnson


    Chelsea gazumping Arsenal to get Mudryk has to be one of the best deals Arsenal have ever had. Thanks to Chelsea they both dodged the Mudryk bullet and settled for Trossard for less money.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 36,197 CMod ✭✭✭✭ShamoBuc


    Nice hattrick for Nketiah.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 20,226 ✭✭✭✭y0ssar1an22


    well that's a shocking decision to award a pen, but it highlights the VAR issue with the clear and obvious criteria.



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