General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

machiavellianme

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284477#Comment_121284477

Unless you are going to pay off an entire opposition team to win a bet, I'm not sure how betting on your own team's victory is a slippery slope to anything apart from maybe towards gambling addiction?

~Rebel~

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284875#Comment_121284875

I gave an example above of how betting on your own team could lead to different outcomes as a result. The basic gist of it all though, is that the only way to remove the possibility of betting impacting outcomes is to not allow betting. Makes total sense to simply remove that possibility.

As to EE's point of there potentially being corruption elsewhere - well, it's that old saying, don't let perfect be the enemy of good. Sure, maybe all aspects of corruption can't be removed, but that doesn't mean you don't make your gains where you can.

El Gato De Negocios

While I absolutely detest Paddy Power as a blood sucking organisation, their media team are top notch.

https://twitter.com/paddypower/status/1717186935427326293

McFly85

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284865#Comment_121284865

As has already been pointed out, betting on your own team to win can cause a conflict of interest where your goals of winning a bet go against the wishes of the manager - football isn’t played in a way where everyone is trying to win at every moment.

And as for betting on games you’re not involved in - there’s also a conflict of interest there. While you cannot directly affect the outcome of the game, football is a small group - players will know players will know players. Who’s to say that someone couldn’t influence another player, even in a smaller market? And if you have players doing that you’re going to expect larger influences at some point.

I think it’s absolutely correct to have a blanket ban for players, it’s a situation football doesn’t need.

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284687#Comment_121284687

I'm not suggesting in anyway that the authorities should be investigating James Tomkins - alphabetical list of EPL players!

ArmaniJeanss

Any player who signs a contract with win bonus, goal scoring bonus, or incentives to finish in/above a certain position is effectively betting on themselves.

There's no real difference between a £1K win bonus and putting £1K on your team to win at Evens, other than one is betting with salary yet to be paid and the latter is betting with salary already paid. (And also the latter is frowned upon/illegal/gets you a 12 month ban, whilst no-one bats an eyelid at the former)

artanevilla

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285340#Comment_121285340

There is a massive difference between performances and gambling on a game you are involved in first off.

Second, performance bonuses are not against the law of the land, nor the law of the game.

ArmaniJeanss

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285412#Comment_121285412

I made clear that I'm aware one is illegal (in Italy)/against the rules (England), and performance bonus isn't, so not sure why you felt the need to point it out to me.

For me the question would be why one (score/win/position bonus, even a paycut for relegation) is industry standard yet it becomes such a no-no if there's a Ladbrokes sign above it. I really don't see much difference, at the core they are all just bets.

But ultimately I agree that if the authorities have banned it, then it's really silly of the players to do it.

CSF

I’m surprised Tonali only got 10 months considering he wasn’t just breaching the rules on betting, but also doing it on his own teams games that he has insider knowledge on.

eagle eye

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121284503#Comment_121284503

I didn't look at it from that angle. I agree with you.

doc_17

Hopefully we’ll hear news of City and their sanctions soon.

HalloweenJack

With these recent high-profile betting suspensions, I wonder will clubs start inserting clauses into contracts that limit their exposure.

Newcastle have spent a small fortune on a guy who can't play again until next season. It's not the same as a long-term injury; this is something the player could easily have avoided. It's more akin to assaulting someone on the pitch and in those cases it's not uncommon to see a player fined by his club.

giveitholly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286001#Comment_121286001

I wonder did AC Milan and Tonali to a lesser degree know what was coming down the line and Milan decided to get rid of him?

giveitholly

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121285962#Comment_121285962

I wouldn't hold my breath

citytillidie

December and Jan Schedule

We have a Christmas eve game

Kick-offs 15:00 unless stated. All times are GMT.

Tuesday 5 December

19:30 Wolves v Burnley (Prime Video)

20:15 Luton Town v Arsenal (Prime Video)

Wednesday 6 December

19:30 Brighton v Brentford (Prime Video)

19:30 Crystal Palace v AFC Bournemouth (Prime Video)

19:30 Fulham v Nott'm Forest (Prime Video)

19:30 Sheff Utd v Liverpool (Prime Video)

20:15 Aston Villa v Man City (Prime Video)

20:15 Man Utd v Chelsea (Prime Video)

Thursday 7 December

19:30 Everton v Newcastle (Prime Video)

20:15 Spurs v West Ham (Prime Video)

Saturday 9 December

12:30 Crystal Palace v Liverpool (TNT Sports)

Brighton v Burnley

Man Utd v AFC Bournemouth

Sheff Utd v Brentford

Wolves v Nott'm Forest

17:30 Aston Villa v Arsenal (Sky Sports)

Sunday 10 December

14:00 Everton v Chelsea*

14:00 Fulham v West Ham*

14:00 Luton Town v Man City (Sky Sports)

16:30 Spurs v Newcastle (Sky Sports)

*Moved due to Premier League matches being played the Thursday before

Friday 15 December

20:00 Nott'm Forest v Spurs (Sky Sports)

Saturday 16 December

AFC Bournemouth v Luton Town

Chelsea v Sheff Utd

Man City v Crystal Palace

Newcastle v Fulham

17:30 Burnley v Everton (Sky Sports)

Sunday 17 December

14:00 Arsenal v Brighton**

14:00 Brentford v Aston Villa**

14:00 West Ham v Wolves (Sky Sports)

16:30 Liverpool v Man Utd (Sky Sports)

**Moved due to participation in UEFA competitions the Thursday before

Thursday 21 December

20:00 Crystal Palace v Brighton (Sky Sports)

Friday 22 December

20:00 Aston Villa v Sheff Utd (Sky Sports)

Saturday 23 December

12:30 West Ham v Man Utd (TNT Sports)

Fulham v Burnley

Luton Town v Newcastle

Nott'm Forest v AFC Bournemouth

Spurs v Everton

17:30 Liverpool v Arsenal (Sky Sports)

Sunday 24 December

13:00 Wolves v Chelsea (Sky Sports)

Tuesday 26 December

12:30 Newcastle v Nott'm Forest (Prime Video)

AFC Bournemouth v Fulham (Prime Video)

Sheff Utd v Luton Town (Prime Video)

17:30 Burnley v Liverpool (Prime Video)

20:00 Man Utd v Aston Villa (Prime Video)

Wednesday 27 December

19:30 Brentford v Wolves (Prime Video)

19:30 Chelsea v Crystal Palace (Prime Video)

20:15 Everton v Man City (Prime Video)

Thursday 28 December 

19:30 Brighton v Spurs (Prime Video)

20:15 Arsenal v West Ham (Prime Video)

Saturday 30 December

12:30 Luton Town v Chelsea (TNT Sports)

Aston Villa v Burnley

Crystal Palace v Brentford

Man City v Sheff Utd

Wolves v Everton

17:30 Nott'm Forest v Man Utd (Sky Sports)

Sunday 31 December

14:00 Fulham v Arsenal (Sky Sports)

14:00 Spurs v AFC Bournemouth***

***Moved due to Brighton v Spurs being played the Thursday before

Monday 1 January 2024

20:00 Liverpool v Newcastle (Sky Sports)

Tuesday 2 January 2024

19:30 West Ham v Brighton (Sky Sports)

Saturday 13 January 2024

12:30 Chelsea v Fulham (TNT Sports)

17:30 Newcastle v Man City (TNT Sports)

Sunday 14 January 2024

14:00 Everton v Aston Villa (Sky Sports)

16:30 Man Utd v Spurs (Sky Sports)

Monday 15 January 2024

19:45 Burnley v Luton Town (TNT Sports)****

****Should either club be involved in an FA Cup replay, this match will move to 19:45 on Friday 12 January, live on TNT Sports. Should either club be involved in an FA Cup replay and Burnley also be involved in the EFL Cup semi-finals, the match will be played at 12:00 on Sunday 14 January, live on TNT Sports.

Saturday 20 January 2024

12:30 Arsenal v Crystal Palace (TNT Sports)

17:30 Brentford v Nott'm Forest (Sky Sports)

Sunday 21 January 2024

14:00 Sheff Utd v West Ham (TNT Sports)

16:30 AFC Bournemouth v Liverpool (Sky Sports)

Monday 22 January 2024

19:45 Brighton v Wolves (TNT Sports)

Heighway61

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286470#Comment_121286470

Are all Prime Video games on Premiere also?

citytillidie

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286500#Comment_121286500

There has been no change to the tv deal as far as I am aware of so they should be

Muff_Daddy

The absolute state of that St. Stephens Day schedule.

Fitz*

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286098#Comment_121286098

There were some murmurings at the time that Milan were forcing him out. That the money was too good to turn down and they needed it etc. He is a Milan fan since a kid so didn't want to leave, but he was pushed.

y0ssar1an22

will be interesting to see how the tonali thing pans put. apparently he can train with the team and play non competitive games.

dunno why the italian FA would strike such a deal with him. they don't need his cooperation when they have all the evidence, its just weird.

wonder will the english FA step in?

adaminho

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286936#Comment_121286936

Not every week will have a big match, there's not a lot of travel for fans with most games being close enough for fans to get to easy enough.

doc_17

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121286936#Comment_121286936

I’ll be watching Utd v Villa….

Muff_Daddy

Yeah I know all that, usually the big teams don't play one another and its localised fixtures during this period, and that's brilliant for the fans.

I just like the block of fixtures on that day, the rest of the year is great for the live TV, but this day is usually one for being in the boozer and watching all the goals at the same time, while the racing is on as well.

I realise this is old hat but, let me have my moan guys 😏

jacool

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121288956#Comment_121288956

Agreed! Last thing you need is a TV clash when the King George is on!

Lol, Romero gets brushed in the chest. Holds his face 🤣

eagle eye

Was just thinking there about Roy Hodgson still going at 76 years of age. Quite incredible how great his mind is at that age.

It'll be a long time, if ever, before his record as oldest manager will be broken.

I don't think Alex Ferguson's record as the oldest Premier League winning manager will ever be broken.

retalivity

That first half was terrible

Kiith

Very comfortable in the 2nd half though, Palace just not pressing at all for some reason.

Kiith

What is a handball these days? 🤔

eagle eye

VAR is a complete joke. I've seen less obvious handballs changed to no goal. That definitely hit his arm and changed the direction of the ball.

I'm not a Spurs fan, I actually like Roy Hodgson, but I like consistency in rules.