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Life passing by people in their 30s

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,135 ✭✭✭I see sheep


    If we're taking Slane as an example you could do all those things in Dublin when you want to put you could still go home after.

    Some good pubs to be fair. That's about it.

    Each to their own.

    I'd never live in Dublin.

    "a terrible war imposed by the provisional IRA"

    Our West Brit Taoiseach



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    There should really be some sort of lending rule exemptions for those who are upset about their siblings calling rent dead money, who don't want to struggle for a few years to save a deposit and who don't want to move outside Dublin. Just get Kitty Holland/Mary Lou on board and it will force the government into making hare brained changes to the lending rules.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Thats actually the point I came here trying to make. Dublin has become a tech city for foreign wealthy workers instead of a place for local people to live. I want Google, facebook, intel and all the tech industry gone. Back to the old ways, people working locally in jobs that regular qualifications (not just stem) can get on decent wages. As I said my grandad was a factory labourer his whole life and was able to get by fine. I know boards is mostly tech bros, but to deny this is a widely shared view among younger people is head in the sand. Globalisation is a total nightmare for working class people.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    I think you might be suffering from "Main Character Syndrome". I am also from a working class background, neither of my grand parents bought their houses.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Mine only did because they bought their council houses in the 80s. But they had long term affordable council homes that was theirs for life and treated as their home by all, they could have pets, decorate etc. They had homes



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 146 ✭✭TagoMago


    I think you've over egged the pudding here somewhat, there are plenty of good restaurants elsewhere, County Cork has a similar number of Michelin Star restaurants to Dublin. Any recommendations for good markets in Dublin? I've lived here for 13 years and my experience has been that the markets are embarrassingly bad for a capital city.

    The beaches, hikes, etc. are fine but pale in comparison to what you'd get elsewhere in Ireland. Dublin is great and I love living here but no point pretending there aren't the same or better aspects to life elsewhere. The exodus of Dubs to West Cork, Kerry, Connemara, Achill, etc. prove my point I think ;)



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    A lot depends on age too.

    City living is great when you want to be in clubs, pubs, restaurants etc.

    Now I'd prefer to be out rambling over the fields or walking on an empty beach.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    life situation as well. Families I totally see the benefit of outside cities, but for single people it would be lonely and isolating. Ironically we are forcing single people out and couples can afford cities



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,636 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Going back to being peasants isn't in anyone's interest. It's baffling that people think that poverty is something to aspire to. Google, Facebook and Intel aren't Dublin by the way. Neither are they Boards.

    If you're feeling anxious or frustrated, imbibing and spreading this reactionary drivel isn't going to help you one iota. Globalisation isn't a nightmare, your peasant dystopia was and we've thankfully abandoned that.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Everyone could live in Dublin in their communities in the past. Now they live in terrible rentals or live at home or are forced out to rural areas, like people are saying here. So yes, Id rather live in the 80s when people could buy a home in Dublin and if they couldn't buy could get a council house



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,694 ✭✭✭Potatoeman


    You think Dublin is great up to your thirties but when you hit forty the shine of going to overpriced pubs and mid week gigs is not all that.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    We have two Irelands, those who own homes or work in multinationals who feel the economy is working for them. And mostly young people who don't own and don't work in fintech who are screwed. The other Ireland has no idea how bad our living standards are because they are still living the celtic tiger



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,087 ✭✭✭✭The Nal


    Got home from a gig in the concert hall in 12 minutes the other week.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,066 ✭✭✭HerrKuehn


    No, they couldn't. We had very high emigration in the past. They couldn't find jobs here, so would have found it impossible to buy a property.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Bit of a taxi ride up to Slane, but I guess some of it is doable from there.

    Dublin is a big place with a lot of variety.

    Ive often found visitors from rural parts of coastal ireland for example tend to like Howth, Malahide, Dalkey, Sandycove etc.

    They are all areas of Dublin, but a world away from the inner city. One of Dublin's great advantages is the sheer variety of the villages that make up the city.

    Dublin is a collection of villages, rather than a single entity.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,636 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    What you're advocating is more like the 1930's.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    All of my aunts, uncles, grandparents did. In council houses pre 1980s and many bought homes in the 90s and 00s. All their children are locked out of buying and cant get social housing because we now give people HAP to live in private rentals instead



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    No, I want back to pre 2008 when everyone working could buy a home and if you cant afford one you get a secure long term council home. Private renting is the problem



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,365 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Still much more variety in Dublin than Cork. And Cork is hugely spread out.

    But I would agree that it is the 2nd best option for variety.

    Its a good point regarding the markets. There are lots of smaller markets like the Co Cop, Temple Bar, Howth, plus numerous Farmers markets in the parks and the flea markets in Smithfield, but we arent far away now from the big markets coming to St Andrews Church and Malahide Castle, (Wrights) ,Google and a permanent artisian market in Smithfield.

    4 large projects that should all open in the next 2 years.

    I would say in 2 or 3 years time, the market offering will be fantastic. But you are right in that we are a long time waiting for those larger markets. :)

    West Cork, Killarney, Kinsale etc are all very nice, dont get me wrong. But you've seen them in a weekend and they are very spread out from eachother.

    So if you live in one, you dont spend much time in another. Its a pain to move between them and public transport is terrible.

    Dublin has most of its villages together, so its easy to move between them.

    There are always new places opening, Constant variety with good connectivity between the villages because they are all so close together.

    But some people will always want the quiet life and thats grand. West Cork/Kerry etc are great for that.

    Although the rain on the west coast especially is awful.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,636 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    Nope. You were alluding to the disastrous autarky agenda pursued by DeV. Nostalgia can be a very dangerous thing.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,713 ✭✭✭riddles


    Failing to manage our cost base and develop proper immigration policies go hand in glove with the problems we have now. I don’t know what the next phase looks like but I don’t see a happy outcome.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Every city with a tech boom has a massive homeless crisis and housing issues, Dublin, Vancouver, San Fran etc. Id rather no investment instead of investment that has priced everyone I know out of being able to have a home in Dublin. I don't know anyone who works for a tech multinational, but I know lots of teachers, nurses, accounts staff, marketing and pr folks, media industry, journalists etc, and they are all at home or house sharing. None can buy a place in Dublin anymore



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,047 ✭✭✭Sunny Disposition


    Brexit was a warning for Ireland in a way, we have similar, probably worse issues with immigration, huge housing problem. It’d be great if somehow immigration could be capped before things get too divided here.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    We are 10 years behind. Our alternative is left wing populism in Sinn Fein and not the right like other countries. And I have no issue saying I support left populism. It just means they listen to voters and will do what voters want instead of what multinationals want



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,636 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    There's more than a hint of jealousy here. Rather than blame the government for not building housing, you're advocating failed ideas which would impoverish the whole country.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    earning 80k, the tech salaries needed to buy in Dublin, puts you in the top 10% of earners.

    So 1 of 2 things need to happen, wages need to rise massively for everyone else or we stop tax breaks for companies causing harm. How does the local young people of Dublin being priced out for global software developers help the country, it is that which is impoverishing people. Look at the housing conditions and living standards of young middle earners in Dublin, thats the low standard of living, being rid of tech will take people out of poverty



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I could have written that post myself.

    Archaeology in UCD, years of min wage after then electronics cert part time. I work for MNC and am happier for it.


    All the best!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 242 ✭✭rowantree18


    I've said I'm not advocating this as a method of house buying, I'm simply pointing out that it is possible.

    It's also true that what constitutes a young irish person's view of "having a life" is different to the expectations of other groups. The Indians I'm talking about ate generally 1st generation straight from India and don't appear (based on my experience) to expect or want to live the youth culture we have of going out, holidays, mini breaks, travel etc. Their view of life seems to be different. Their children may feel very differently.

    I would have found it nearly impossible to live as they do, but the fact remains they buy houses, quickly, and so - it can be done.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,037 ✭✭✭eightieschewbaccy


    Eh, plenty of software engineers out there are Irish, you realise this right? Also you're basically advocating for putting a substantial proportion of employed people out of work?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    Obviously I have a vested interest (see post above), but that won't help one bit.

    Too much demand, not enough supply.

    Even if you remove tech workers and house prices fall a little, then you're competing against other people like yourself who have found themselves on the edge of affordability.



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