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Life passing by people in their 30s

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    All very true.

    It must be near impossible to save for a deposit in Dublin AND pay rent at the same time.

    I really think the govt should broaden the help to buy scheme to give additional support for single applicants.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    ??? They already exist for proffesionals and students.

    I am not talking about slums. I am talking about good standard accomodation being maximised to benefit the most amount of people through house shares.

    If the concept is so terrible, should we not ban it for the proffesional classes also?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Thats the point, it SHOULD be banned for the professional classes as well. The solution is not to make the most vulnerable live in worse conditions and bring everyone down to slums. The solution is to provide decent public housing to everyone who needs it. Or to bring back large 100% mortgages to renters with a track record over years of paying more than that in rent.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    That would be the ideal, I agree.

    But whilst we have a shortage in housing, would it not make sense to share social accom and private accom, in order to reduce the number of people living in hotels/on the streets or on a housing list.

    Better that 3 share than 1 is housed and 2 live in a hotel.

    And if we cant do that, then we are hypocritical in the extreme when it comes to the treatment of professionals and students etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    No, Id rather be in a hotel than share. No family should share in the 21st century. This country is a disgrace.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I am not talking about families. I mean 3 individuals or perhaps a couple and 1 individual.

    It isnt ideal, but its what everyone else has to do.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    If the state approves of such living conditions it normalises it. The answer to poverty is not to impoverish more people

    The lack of empathy is shocking. You are using the housing crisis to punch down on poor people. Im screwed by housing and working for every penny I have every day of the week, I would never condemn more people as some sort of warped solution.

    How about they house share the poor in the mansions in D4 with elderly rich people living with lots of spare rooms? Everyone would have much more space that way then they would in a council house in Tallaght.

    Clown. Your views are why we have this crisis. Had we kept building social housing instead of shouting about "free houses for lay abouts" we wouldnt have a housing crisis in the first place



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    And by the way, thats what is happening now. Its called HAP. No single person on HAP can live alone



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    I agree we should have kept building council houses.

    You seem to be advocating an end to house shares for everyone?

    Where would we put everyone, if we did that tomorrow?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    People on housing benefit, can and do, live alone.



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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 42,648 CMod ✭✭✭✭ancapailldorcha


    And? Surely we should be aiming to make things better, not worse.

    The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

    Leviticus 19:34



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    You're losing fifty percent of your salary over a pittance here, i.e 42k. In a country with outrageous living costs. Salaries in general are crap. In relation to the trades, yeah... money is on another planet... honestly. If you're in any way decent, you can pull in 500- 1000 per day... plumbing would be great one. When you get an emergency leak and its fixed half an hour later, limiting damage to your half a million euro shoe box in dublin. Will you be on your knees thanking the plumber or begrudging giving over e200 or e300? ....

    Conventional easy street option in years gone by , you'd have muddled through... now, you're a poverty case. Young people need to be very aware of this with their decision making...

    3 options. Large salary with a partner. Accept living at home or in house share forever or until you receive inheritance, might not even be enough. Option 3, graduate, leave Ireland, because frankly its insane staying here short term, for a ton of 0bvious reasons.. . Experience far better nearly everything abroad and come back with tens of thousands saved or simy stay abroad. Health, Infrastructure, law and order, housing, ots already a disgrace, despite the magic money tree throwing out euro in a frenzy, these things are still getting WORSE.. welcome to Ireland .

    Imagine graduating here. Going into the guards or HSE... lol. While your mates are off the other side of the world, living the dream. More pay, better work life balance... our biggest city, Dublin. Nightlife focused on Camden Street and Harcourt street, its a total farce...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Correct. Ffg a disgrace. Its just waiting for the 99% percent chance that sf will also be, to be confirmed. They all want to stick with low density, they all want "standards " that massively inflate the build cost. Its all so obvious, I look forward to discussing these obvious points here, for the rest of my life... im 39...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Lads instead of reading thousands of hours worth of threads over the next decade or so... I highly recommend watching this... explains why government love rip off property prices... from Australia, but 99% of it applicable to here...

    I highly recommend watching it Real Estate 4 Ransom... it has to be the greatest racket of all time. Captive global population that need a roof over their head... all other expenditure will be curtailed to feed the never ending run away train of greed...


    https://youtu.be/XL3n59wC8kk?si=9MG0S0n6tU1ieOOt

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    Sorry , for 200k thats grim ? So what is 45 sq m in new build dublin apartments for half a million plus?! Good ? Literally current standards dictating Mercedes level pricing, for people on low income.. . Lol !



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    Aye.

    SF will very likley end up delivering LESS units than the 30k pa we are seeing currently, as they are obsessesed with getting rid of the investment funds.

    Ignoring the obvious flaw in their plan that its the funds that finance & enable most of our large scale developments and without them, the schemes are very unlikley to go ahead.

    No investment funds = fewer large scale developments = fewer new homes.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    investment funds are a disaster and will end up without a working class person left in the city. They provide housing for multinational tech workers from all over the world to share with other people in soulless communities, what we need is proper long term housing for working class people to afford in their own communities.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,112 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    Funnily enough, lots of these were owned by rich Irish Catholics, before and long after 1922 and only demolished when they were physically falling down and killing people in their beds.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    some, a very small amount may have lasted until the 60s. But my grandparents both moved to the schemes in Crumlin and other parts of the south of the city in the 30s and 40s from tenement clearances. And my grandparents then grew up to get council homes of their own in the 50s and 60s in the same areas. My parents lived in one when they got married in the late 80s too. Thats what used to happen, affordable housing for working people in their communities.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,630 ✭✭✭Padre_Pio


    I would prefer to live in a van than pay 1400 a month in Dublin.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    We need all types of housing.

    Nobody is building the types of homes you are talking about though, sadly.

    Neither will SF.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    What benefit does vulture blocks with a professional in each room do? Honestly, people like you are the worst

    SF are something different, worst case scenario the multinationals leave and things cools down without the mass inequalities. Ask young non tech workers what they think of silicon docks and if they are hoping for a crash, you'll be surprised. We do buy this GDP crap when our lives our materially worse than our parents was



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    The apartments house workers. If we didnt have those apartments, the tech workers and the pharma workers and the bankers would still need to live somewhere.

    Surely the more homes we can deliver the better it would be for everyone?

    Different types of homes, sure.

    But we need as many as we can get at the moment and if the tech workers arent living in those apartments blocks they will be living in whatever homes are available.

    Hoping for a crash is the worst possible solution.

    Building homes for everyone is surely the answer.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Id rather we didnt have the mad wealth inequality so we didn't need vulture fund soulless blocks for French techies. Id rather we did what worked in the past, provide jobs based on existing skills in communties, not move the communities out to make way for staff. How many people who grew up in Ringsend can afford to live in it? Now its the whole of Dublin. Its not a Dubliners city anymore, its a city for multinationals. We sold our country for GDP for the few and look what its done. The reason people don't want vultures is we want our communities, this is why young people are livid with FFG and are voting SF. Dublin has been killed by greed and globalisation.



  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 10,968 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    And where exactly would you find the land and the resources to build these houses and how would you finance the building of houses for people that can’t afford to pay for them? You are arguing for the continuance of the same old housing policy that has never worked in any of the Anglo Sphere countries, ever. You are the reason why this house crisis won’t be solved no matter what party ends up in government because like all the other voters you won’t accept a solution that does not include owning a house. I can remember back in the 60s & 70s when we were stuffing people into the abandoned married quarters of army barracks - quarters the army deemed unacceptable for ordinary soldiers never mind officers. Nothing has changed just more of the same and it will continue until perhaps the pain is sufficient to concentrate the voters mind on others solutions, in the meantime politicians will try to deliver on the voters demand that they get to own a house.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,366 ✭✭✭BlueSkyDreams


    There are jobs for everyone. We are very lucky in that way.

    We have developed very fast as a nation economcially, especially in Dublin as you say.

    But the answer is never to lose good jobs and good prospects for our youth.

    One of the real blockers we have is the ability to build taller, more dense apartments.

    That will come and we are starting to see it happen & that will enable us to house more people in our communities.

    The glass bottle development in Ringsend is a good example.

    The problem is simply a lack of homes. There is room for everyone. But only if there are enough homes for everyone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 313 ✭✭BillyHaelyRaeCyrus


    Until the Celtic Tiger we didn't have a rental market in this country in any real way. It was short term digs for students and new country people in the city. Everyone else lived in their own homes or a affordable secure council home. Literally look at the 1991 census stats, 81% owned homes and out of the rest only 5% was in private renting the rest lived in social housing. Then we supposedly became a "developed nation" which basically means multinationals started to use us for profits and we sold our communities to globalisation. Neo Liberalism is being fought back against all over because of this.

    Unless the actual solutions you complain about?! which is everyone owns a home or has public housing happens again then I would see 40% of my generation living in bad poverty in old age trying to rent on state pensions



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,067 ✭✭✭Murph85


    What do you think should be done to resolve the housing crisis ?



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,978 ✭✭✭Jack Daw


    I love the older generation (my parents generation essentially) telling people in their 30's today to pull yourself up by your bootstraps and save and work hard and you'll be able to afford a house.Forgetting of course that:

    Average House Price to Average Wage Ratio is much higher today than it was 30-40 years ago

    The younger generation made a much greater effort at their education than people prior to the 1990's did, doing multiple degrees . job related examinations etc because you can't get a decent job without these things now whereas you could in the past

    A holiday in Spain today is probably more affordable than a week in Salthill/Tramore/Bray was in the 1980s so a foreign holiday isn't quite the extravagance people like to pretend it is compared to the past.

    A 1 salary household could buy a family home in the 1980's/90's which is not the case today.

    Fact is the younger generation have been screwed over by successive governments over the past 15 years who clearly have decided by not properly tackling the housing crisis that they didn't need any houses of their own unlike previous generations.

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