Army-Land Component

roadmaster · 05-09-2023 01:44PM #1

Id said id set up a Thread on its own for the Army or as some state documents are calling it the Land component so army matters have there own thread

There was a news article last week about the final deployment of troops to syria. It was mentioned they will start bringing home all the gear shortly. In regards to the Mowags the ones that are brought home will they be coming home via Switerland for a major overhaul or can that be done in the curragh?

sparky42 · 05-09-2023 06:01PM

I suppose it depends, how worn are the MOWAGs (thought they were cycled out for the Mid Life Upgrade a few years ago?) and whether or not the Curragh has the personnel left to handle the work?

roadmaster · 05-09-2023 07:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121073474#Comment_121073474

Thats true about the upgrade but unless the 20 plus mowags that are out there have being swaped out reguarly they must have being driven verly hard and will need some TLC

Larbre34 · 06-09-2023 09:54AM

Who cares?

We don't have enough personnel to get full training use of the 60 odd units in service at home anyway, so if 20 from Syria go off-call for a few months, they won't be missed.

In any case, scheduled overhaul of these vehicles is a very routine bit of work, its hardly worth talking about.

roadmaster · 07-09-2023 09:37AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121075274#Comment_121075274

Well hopefully they well have apcs deploying with the EUBG for training

roadmaster · 25-09-2023 07:17AM

Looks like there was some fun in the glen

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/behind-enemy-lines-as-worlds-best-sniper-teams-go-head-to-head-in-the-wicklow-mountains/a339335389.html

mupper2 · 26-09-2023 04:25AM

The new Irish Transitional Multicam pattern (ITMP) coming in soon along with a new complete clothing system for it.

Irish transitional multicam pattern 2.jpg

Irish transitional multicam pattern 1.jpg

mupper2 · 26-09-2023 11:32AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121157618#Comment_121157618

You can also see the FF's😯

Manic Moran · 28-09-2023 01:55PM

"Transitional"?

As in there will be another pattern to come? What's the point?

(I'm going blind, I can't see any FFs)

jonnybigwallet · 28-09-2023 01:57PM

That's our secret weapon to prevent blue on blue incidents.

mupper2 · 28-09-2023 02:22PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121168718#Comment_121168718

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mupper2 · 29-09-2023 06:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121170491#Comment_121170491

...😁

roadmaster · 19-10-2023 08:03AM

I love yesterday when the shi@t hit the fan in cork the first thing the local reps and the media could think of was ring the Army.

The way things are going the defence forces will not always be there when that call comes. When the Navan Bus Crash happenend 20 odd years ago the air corps where able to deploy in numbers to support very quick.

Last Month we had to take 112 off line so the rangers could carry out a mission.

We are walking this state in to a major issue

mupper2 · 19-10-2023 03:09PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121257540#Comment_121257540

Sometimes the only way to learn a lesson is the hard way.

sparky42 · 23-10-2023 12:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121259237#Comment_121259237

True enough, but something tells me when that lesson comes due every finger is going to be pointing to the DF and not the b*stards that created the situation.

mupper2 · 23-10-2023 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121273845#Comment_121273845

To be fair and luckily the DF at the time will consist entirely of 22 Generals and 125 Colonels...

roadmaster · 23-10-2023 03:23PM

I was in one off our lovely barracks a few weeks ago with a client and we met several officers and that was one think that i noticed why has the army so many Colonels?

ZeroThreat · 23-10-2023 04:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121275110#Comment_121275110

lol sounds similar to the Italian navy who have more admirals than vessels

jonnybigwallet · 23-10-2023 08:36PM

Same as the Royal Navy!

mupper2 · 28-10-2023 04:46AM

Just had a it of an AM thought over on the former bird app and thought I'd raise it here too to get opinions.

What if due to the current situation the DF can't purchase/support kit from the Israelis, Whether from which ever end it comes from ours or theirs.

I now it's unlikely but we do use a decent amount of their stuff, from UAVs to SATCOMs to some specialised stuff in the Wing etc

mupper2 · 28-10-2023 02:14PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121293720#Comment_121293720

It is..bit ironic since Rabintex the company went under years ago...

They are supposed to be replaced soon, but the project sees to be lagging a bit.

sparky42 · 29-10-2023 12:00AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121294053#Comment_121294053

Really, a defence procurement project that is lagging... Might be easier to count which ones aren't...

roadmaster · 29-10-2023 08:24AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121293116#Comment_121293116

We still buy a lot of ammo i think of them but we usally tender it and go for the cheapest weather its from Pakistan or Israel.

I seen on Defence Forces social Media laat week the 105s were back working. We ill have to put an order in for 105 shells which could take a while

mupper2 · 21-12-2023 07:37PM

Department of Defence - Call for Tender for the provision of Combat Helmets and Accessories

The Minister for Defence is seeking responses from economic operators through this Pre-Qualification Questionnaire (PQQ) for the purchase of Combat Helmets and Accessories to the Department of Defence, Ireland for use by the Irish Defence Forces. The requirement exists for the supply of up to 6,105 with options to buy lots to a total of 12,500 (all told) within 7 years

Edit, Budget is 15 million...which is interesting.

roadmaster · 06-01-2024 11:36AM

The RG32 is due to be replaced shortly. The Bushmaster seams to have turned out to be a good design.

When the replacement tender comesout Could we see Timmoney joint venture maybe offer to build the Bushmaster in navan as a replacement similar to the plan they had to build the eagle?

jonnybigwallet · 06-01-2024 01:50PM

Expensive machine...I wonder how many they are after?

sparky42 · 06-01-2024 03:15PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121578208#Comment_121578208

I doubt we would order enough to make a production line viable.

roadmaster · 06-01-2024 03:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121579081#Comment_121579081

Yeah thats true you would probably need high production numbers. That was one of the problems with the orginal Timoney APCs they didnt make enoght to iron out the issues. But maybe if an order of 50 went in and that included a 20 year maintance contract for medium and heavy services could make it viable and also wouls take pressure of the army service crews

Larbre34 · 06-01-2024 04:40PM

50 is not viable.

GDELS-Mowag in Switzerland has produced over 30,000 vehicles across its range in the last 53 years. It employs 750 head to build, maintain and mid-life refurb its models. Thats what viability looks like.

If Mowag weren't part of General Dynamics now, they wouldn't even be in the Top 10 of global armoured carrier makers.

Manic Moran · 08-01-2024 03:57AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121579170#Comment_121579170

The Timoneys were fundamentally awful, no 'ironing out' was going to save them. Vickers tried a complete re-design with the Valkyr, and they couldn't get any sales with that either. I did a video review of the BDX (Timoney Mk V), which was terrible as it was, and a few Irish users chimed in with their (negative) experiences. A Belgian instructor chimed in as well, he hated the things.

I've been reached out to by a lad in Timoney after I released the video, he says there are interesting stories to be told about the design process back in the day for the thing to be told down the pub. I may not have time on my next trip, but I look forward to it.

roadmaster · 08-01-2024 09:23AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121585324#Comment_121585324

I seen that video it looked like a lot of fun to get in and out off. The RG 32 replacement programme is well underway but i dont think there are too many options there for replacement unlike the mowags. You said before there would be an issue with boxer due to the size of it on irish roads.

What do you see as the replacement could it be the Piranha V but it is not far off the size of the boxer.

Is there many cars out there the size of the current Mowag that will give the armour requirement needed?

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