Change to derogation

What's the furthest away you'd rent to Farm it as an outblock? I was thinking 6 to 7 miles..

There’s no rule for a second herd number for land 20 miles away

We have an outfarm just over the 20 miles and have never had an issue with that.

There’s plenty bending the rules with maps etc, if it helps you stay viable you’d have to consider it bad form or not…

Wonder has he it stocked himself?

He has on paper

That’s the risk ppl take

this drop to 220 is pure nonsense. There is no science to it

theyre not using trends just basing it off one year

my Slaney in Wexford is the worst river for nitrates in the country and we’re still at 250 just because the nitrates hasn’t increased

aswell as that it is not a intensive dairy area 🤔🤔

predominately a tillage and dry stock area but all we ever hear about is that dairy cows are the issue

I’ve a river at the edge of the farm here, originates up in blackstairs

up till a mile away it is very high nitrates, from my neighbours farm on to where it hits the Slaney it reduces massively. That stretch of river is farmed a lot more intensely compared to the land that river comes through till it gets to us

can you square that for me ?

it’s purely down to soil type imo

I wouldn't blame those farmers not in derogation taking paper acres to stay out of derogation.

It wasn't their fault the whole beaurocratic system was levelled on their head. It'd be a simple system to reverse from paper to actual. Just take a cut of silage instead of subletting it again to another farmer or landowner.

The farmers in dero or avoiding I'd wager they're 99% full time farmers. You do what you can to stay full time whilst traversing the beaurocratic minefield. And this minefield is only a recent addition. It's easy throw stones when your living doesn't depend on farming.

The last point. If there's many part time farmers in dero or doing paper exercises to stay below then you can disregard any personal offence. None meant.

We’re renting ground on conacre last 5 years for silage/zero grazing in backend. If we had the maps for it we’d be well under the 220 probably closer to 200. A farmer 40 miles away in renting the maps for the ground the last 15 years, even though it’s annoying for us we’re glad of the ground and money for it is fairly okay. Can’t blame that guy for staying out of derogation with his maps and I’m sure if anyone else had the opportunity they’d do so too.

I’m afraid this is the way in many aspects of life sometimes you’ve to bend the rules to get on, I’ve seen this in my work outside of the farm also. You can’t be bitter at these guys if you get the chance to get a leg up you should take it too even if it isn’t the morally correct thing to do at times you can’t get left behind if you want to survive.

I wasn’t saying you were I’m just saying in general no need for lads to begrudge people who do this to ensure the viability of their businesses.

If we lost our rented ground in the next few years with changes incoming to nitrates too I’d have to do some paper exercises to maintain cow numbers if I was to come home full time and give up the day job. I would have no issue with using someone’s maps to allow me to farm full time.