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Padre_Pio · 15-10-2023 11:47AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240582#Comment_121240582

A "long play" of occupying a country that is actively attacking has never paid off in recent history.

thereitisgone · 15-10-2023 11:55AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240582#Comment_121240582

I don't agree that the Russian meat grinder attack has killed the offensive in the south for the Ukrainians, have not heard of any troops being transferred from the south to the east

Actually what the Russians are saying one of the big reasons their attack is failing so badly is because the Ukrainians brought in reserves so fast, they simply wouldn't have had time to transfer from the south

Ukraine are a victim of there own success last year when they recaptured huge amount of land rapidly because the Russians were sleeping

It wasn't normal, but now that has been set as the benchmark, but now the Russians wont be caught out like that again

What Ukraine are doing especially down south is concentrating on Russian artillery, its been going on now for over a month

We dont know how this affects the Russian defense but the Ukrainians seem too, the numbers have been staggering and its definitely a change for the Ukrainians to actively hunt them so much

They are slowly making ground but also concentrating on softening the belly of the Russian forces, which is logical if you actually want to protect your own troops

Lets not get caught up so much in meters gained or lost, Ukraine are in this for the long game

And remember they dont need to get to the Sea of Azoz now, they just need to get in range so they can cut the supply route for the Russians

Little bit more patience and lets see what happens

m2_browning · 15-10-2023 12:00PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121239892#Comment_121239892

Arabs / Muslims don’t give a flying feck about their own

Some of the richest countries are in the Middle East and yet they expect Europe to shoulder all their refuges while doing next to nothing when not deliberately pouring oil into the fire

jmreire · 15-10-2023 12:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240118#Comment_121240118

If the Syrian Free Army had some of the air defense capabilities that they have in Ukraine, neither Putin or Assad, would be doing as many bombing raids. And if any Assad / Putin planes hit Israeli targets, they may regret it big time. Doesn't take much to disable an airfield, and what ever happens to be parked on it at the time.

macraignil · 15-10-2023 12:30PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240582#Comment_121240582

"Holding a united support will fracture if progress is not delivered and the last month is stalemate territory imo."

Lots of points you made in your post that don't make much sense to me but particularly your point about progress not being made by Ukraine. Political leaders in the EU, America and others (which together have economic resources multiple times the size of putin's) have committed to support Ukraine in the long term as they are the victims of a completely unlawful attack from putin's forces. No one of their supporter countries have said anything about reducing support if any targets of progress by Ukraine are not reached. In spite of there being no specific targets to meet Ukraine is making great progress in destroying putin's war machine and in doing so improving the chances of a peaceful future for many countries living close to the borders of russia.

thereitisgone · 15-10-2023 12:53PM

This is analysis from one of the most level heads on twitter about the Russian attack on Avdiivka

Some really good points

Definitely worth a read

https://twitter.com/Tendar/status/1713520368151941558

dennis72 · 15-10-2023 12:57PM

None or little movement in a month, is being ignored, while there is unity a force cannot maintain combat op if no return offensive has stalled at a time when the weather changes.

The main concern of the west is to protect infrastructure from missile and drone attacks

This war is stalemate

m2_browning · 15-10-2023 01:14PM

I don’t get the whole “when weather changes” line of argument

The current continuous gains by Ukraine are repeatedly reported as being made by small and agile dismounted units with a continued utter destruction of Russian missile and artillery units and the hunt for helicopters

The tanks are held back for counterattacks as seen in the complete and utter destruction and humiliation of Russian attack that outdone the already epic Vuhledar failure

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/10/14/frontline-report-russians-lose-1030-troops-75-tanks-and-armored-vehicles-in-one-day/

m2_browning · 15-10-2023 01:17PM

https://news.liga.net/en/politics/news/pase-prizvala-priznat-putina-nelegitimnym-i-obyavila-rossiyu-diktaturoy

that took long enough

Seanmadradubh · 15-10-2023 01:32PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240582#Comment_121240582

"I don't want a Russian victory I am seeing the long play is suiting Russia."

B.S. If you don't want a Russian victory then you wouldn't be online trying to convince people that a Ukrainian victory is a lost cause, because such sentiments actually help Russia. Duh.

macraignil · 15-10-2023 01:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241041#Comment_121241041

Are you just ignoring the losses of putin's forces that I posted in reply to your recent post about progress? Progress by Ukraine is not just measured in km2 of liberated territory in my opinion. The Ukrainians have taken back large areas of land from putin's invading force and in spite of territorial liberation not being as fast as some would like in recent months the losses being inflicted on putin's troops are huge as detailed in my post above that you are simply ignoring. Since an increase in attacks by putin's forces in the last few days the losses of moskovyte troops have been running at close to a thousand a day and high levels of losses in tanks, armoured personnel vehicles, artillery and other equipment as well as strikes on infrastructure putin requires to feed their front lines in Ukraine and the ships they use to launch attacks on civilians in Ukrainian cities mean they are becoming more and more an ineffective force in Ukraine making a complete collapse and withdrawal from occupied territories more likely. Who knows how long it will take to ware down putin's forces but the armed forces of Ukriane are not going to stop until the last soldier fighting for putin in Ukraine is turned into ferttiliser or gone home.

Polar101 · 15-10-2023 01:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241096#Comment_121241096

"Winter is coming" is just copium for the Russians and their supporters - they think they've won if they last till the winter.

Last year Ukraine took Kherson in mid-November.

Gatling · 15-10-2023 01:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241190#Comment_121241190

And stopped

Until the summer Counter offensive, unfortunately it doesn't look another Kherson will be happening before the year is out ,in the scheme of things Kherson was a suprise we were all expecting a long dirty drawn out fight building by building,but instead the Russians withdrew to stronger defensive positions which they still occupy.

Winter is coming isn't Russian copium it a simple matter of fact

Seanmadradubh · 15-10-2023 01:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241208#Comment_121241208

The Kherson offensive stopped because it was finished, not because of the weather lol.

m2_browning · 15-10-2023 02:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241208#Comment_121241208

Aaand destroyed Wagner in Bakhmut which nearly led to Putin leaving brown stains in his geriatric nappies

robinph · 15-10-2023 02:59PM

"I don't want a Russian victory I am seeing the long play is suiting Russia."

There is absolutely nothing either short or long which suits Russia. There is absolutely zero path to "winning" for them, other than totally wiping out every Ukrainian on the planet and everyone who has ever heard of Ukraine. The will to fight on to reclaim their lost lands will never expire regardless of what land Russia happens to occupy with military hardware. Even if it happens that the battle lines are still in the same place in 10 months, or 50 years time, Ukraine will still be fighting for their right to survive and Russia will still be sending their young to die for no reason.

Russia is the only ones in a position to end things, and they do get some say in how badly they want to be penalised for Putins idiocy. But they are not able to "win", just decide how badly they want to loose.

macraignil · 15-10-2023 03:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241190#Comment_121241190

Kherson was cut off to supply lines before putin's forces were forced to withdraw and slow progress by Ukraine armed forces in the south will be effective at cutting off supply lines to putin's forces in a much bigger area regardless of the time of year. Even if they don't push on a whole lot more, the land bridge to Crimea is now becoming increasingly narrow and supply routes through Melitopol are already being hit by sabotage and within range of some of the missiles that have been supplied to Ukraine. Here is an update on further progress in the south:

https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/10/15/frontline-report-clever-ukrainian-tank-tactics-allow-breakthrough/

dennis72 · 15-10-2023 04:35PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241182#Comment_121241182

It is measured kms sometimes by Ukrainians

Russians are losing big numbers with bigger resources probably now forcing Ukrainians but are still a force using z storm units

Being no Russia collapse as expected

my comments where about 1 month of offensive going nowhere so stalemate imo

There will be a renewed attack on infrastructure west is focused on it protection

Russia needs to be kicked out quicker or they will be harder to move 1 more year they will be so dug in no amount of nato weapons won't budge them and I think much of the fight will be gone out of Ukrainians

Gatling · 15-10-2023 04:41PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241426#Comment_121241426

But lost soldar and bakmuth to Russian forces , and the majority of Kherson is still occupied,

m2_browning · 15-10-2023 04:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241783#Comment_121241783

Aand have regained more land since then and continue to push Russian fascists out

Speaking of whom, here is one robbing his own wounded instead of helping him

https://x.com/NOELreports/status/1713285502286115184?s=20

m2_browning · 15-10-2023 04:54PM

Funding for Ukraine is now tied to funding for Israel

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/biden-push-israel-ukraine-aid-package-over-2-billion-this-week-2023-10-15/

Several sages who made predictions in last week about the Israeli events being a negative for Ukraine now have egg on their faces.

A minority of republicans (majority wanted continue helping Ukraine) from the loony far right wing chose Ukraine funding as a hill they wanted to die on and nearly caused a shutdown, now they have been check mated, tho a few of those are too thick to realise that Israel is not an enemy they want to have.

Putin is one of the few leaders to have still not contacted Israel and offer condolences and his state media is gloating about the attacks

https://www.rferl.org/a/russia-israel-conflict-pro-kremlin-commentators-ukraine-good-news/32633318.html

Putin made a mistake in starting this war, he made a second mistake in appearing weak during Wagner fiasco and how he went for trifecta of turning Israel against him

macraignil · 15-10-2023 05:03PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241760#Comment_121241760

I know things can be measured in kms but in my opinion the more important measure is how much of the military machine that putin has built up is being destroyed by Ukraine's armed forces.

Russians have no where near the resources of the EU and USA never mind the other countries that have pledged to support Ukraine no mater how long it takes for them to free themselves from putin's attacks.

No idea what you mean by "z storm units". Is this a russian term for cannon fodder or people in the russian federation putin wants to see die anyway?

Who expected a rapid "Russia collapse"? It is natural for some commentators to be positive about Ukraine's chances of freeing themselves from putin's aggression but who honestly believed this would be a rapid process?

The offensive by Ukraine has made some progress and I posted a link above about some further movement in the south to help them narrow the land bridge putin has tried to build to help keep Crimea supplied. Longer range missiles being sent from the west mean Ukraine no longer needs to make so much progress in Kms in the south to have all of putin's land supply routes of everything west of Melitopol within strike range of the armed forces of Ukraine so while they will obviously try to protect their civilians from attack they now have a much better ability to cut off any troops that have dug in in the occupied territories and force them to withdraw or surrender due to lack of supplies.

Gatling · 15-10-2023 05:11PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241806#Comment_121241806

Very much minor gains all well documented, we all know what Russian soldier are like we've been on here heading for year three , you've not bringing anything new

Gatling · 15-10-2023 05:12PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241851#Comment_121241851

Nothing has changed there either,

m2_browning · 15-10-2023 05:13PM

Also the Russia hacking groups who helped Palestinians

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-10-09/cyberattacks-targeting-israel-are-on-the-rise-after-hamas-attack

alongside Russian “alliance” with Iran will now ensure that Russia has attached itself to a dead weight and will sink with them and ensure that Israelis will hunt down russians for decades to come

Yes a lot of Israelis have originally came from USSR but

this was a long time ago
the attack was like 40x 9/11s when one adjusts for population

Good luck to anyone in Israel trying to paint Russia as being anything but not indirectly responsible

RoyalCelt · 15-10-2023 06:38PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121240856#Comment_121240856

I see Saudi Arabia has a tented city. Top class facilities, fully air conditioned and most lie idle for 11 months until the pilgrims arrive.

With Europe over capacity I'm sure they'll be lining up to take in Palestinian refugees who want sanctuary from the war.

RoyalCelt · 15-10-2023 06:51PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121241190#Comment_121241190

Nothing like that will happen this year. The Ukrainians will do some localised attacks probably around Bakhmut to maybe gain a few km. But overall unexpect the winter to be Ukraine defending waves of russian attacks unless an opportunity develops.

Ukraine had to take the initiative this summer and try gain as much as possible. But at this stage they'll want to preserve their attacking force until western jet's arrive. At least when they resume large scale assaults they'll have the ability to prevent Russia from striking them with huge unguided bombs. That was costly for Ukraine during this counter attack.

kowloon · 15-10-2023 07:37PM

Saw the casualties report on Euromaidan counts the one submarine lost as 17% of total submarines. How does that work exactly?

thereitisgone · 15-10-2023 07:46PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121242506#Comment_121242506

They had 5 submarines which each were 17 percent, so total 85 percent

The remaining 15 percent was a lad who could hold his breath under water under a bucket for half an hour

Russian navy

kowloon · 15-10-2023 07:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121242540#Comment_121242540

We don't talk about Mikhail.

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