Random EV thoughts.....

mfceiling · 11-10-2023 03:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121224122#Comment_121224122

Few of the rags had reported it was an EV that started it. One claimed it was an EV that was charging. Problem was that there were no chargers in that particular car park.

I saw a video earlier showing it was a Range Rover!!

the_amazing_raisin · 11-10-2023 03:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121224134#Comment_121224134

Well with at least one fewer range rover in the world, I'm calling this a success overall

Gumbo · 11-10-2023 03:33PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121224122#Comment_121224122

You’re late to the party.

EV blame in full swing since 9am this morning despite it being a RR diesel that started it.

https://x.com/EmilyDegnan_X/status/1712003447992520755?s=20

CoBo55 · 11-10-2023 06:26PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121224122#Comment_121224122

Zafira 🔥🔥🔥

the_amazing_raisin · 11-10-2023 08:16PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121225013#Comment_121225013

Haha, that was my bet but it turns out it was a Chelsea Tractor (aka Range Rover)

the_amazing_raisin · 11-10-2023 08:33PM

I'm surprised how late MAN trucks are to the table considering they ditched hydrogen for batteries early on

https://www.electrive.com/2023/10/10/man-will-take-orders-for-the-etruck-at-the-end-of-october/

Manny the Truck (or the MAN eTruck, if you're boring) will be available to order from this month with delivery in 2024 to "first markets"

That seems a bizarre way of doing it, normally they have some headline customers for the initial release (e.g. PepsiCo and Tesla not fully erect truck) and then open the order book

It actually makes a lot of sense, let's you debug the trucks in real usage with one customer instead of having a dozen customers yelling at you. You could even have engineers on site to make adjustments as needed

At least MAN are doing something right, they're building a dedicated battery plant for the factory. No fighting over batteries for them

zg3409 · 12-10-2023 06:20PM

I wonder will it display turtle mode. Imagine the embarrassment.....

the_amazing_raisin · 12-10-2023 07:17PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121229512#Comment_121229512

This is Dublin Bus we're taking about, turtle mode would be too fast for them 😂

AMKC · 12-10-2023 11:59PM

https://youtu.be/KeGMzweJ504?si=93YAC42H1_R85E_h

The cars start from 1 minute in if you want to skip all the drums and hyperbole.

DaveyDave · 13-10-2023 02:28AM

Apparently these are only on routes doing 100km a day so probably very infrequent routes?

Anyone on the Dublin Bus side know if they go back to the depot during the day? Could top up charge there if they can. I saw someone saying the delay was also due to lack of training. Surely it's just a case of the drivers knowing to plug them in and some sort of on site fleet manager throwing an eye on them?

Not that it matters since apparently every major route is struggling to get drivers to maintain rush hour time tables...

Old diesel · 13-10-2023 07:39AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121224122#Comment_121224122

On what was twitter now X.

The anti EV crowd are in two camps

1) the diesel car must have been some kind of hybrid

Or

2) it doesn't matter what caused the fire as "EV definitely made it worse because this type of damage is unprecedented with petrol or diesel"

the_amazing_raisin · 13-10-2023 08:05AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121230754#Comment_121230754

I'd call that one camp personally, the idiot camp 😏

the_amazing_raisin · 13-10-2023 08:44AM

https://youtu.be/pWyHm7Ap1Kc?feature=shared

Battered Maxus van

I used to think these things were reasonable value for a basic electric van, but after watching this I'm convinced that van is an unrelenting piece of sh!t

Skipping past the damage, whoever designed the software is an idiot. I get that it's meant to be basic, but everything is just terrible quality

I love how if you release the handbrake while the van is charging it'll roll away. Imagine that happening with 100A or so of current flowing through the car, wonderful bit of electrical safety

I've seen battered vans, but not after a couple of years of use, more like 10-15

Apparently it was used to haul e-scooters around and they were chucking them into the back, but it looks more like someone was having a sledgehammer fight inside. I can't see how throwing e-scooters in would cause that much damage

josip · 13-10-2023 10:57AM

Seems like a nice idea, but I suspect that by the time it clears all the regulatory and certification hurdles, the market will have diminished significantly.

https://newatlas.com/automotive/revr-ev-conversion-kit/

CoBo55 · 13-10-2023 11:58AM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121230886#Comment_121230886

Sorry but I can't listen to him say what the heck over and over😡

They're the EV version of the Siac van, a heap of junk like most modern vans. A neighbour has a 191 Siac and it looks like it's 30 years old already, horrible yokes, there's some racket out of the engine.

unkel · 13-10-2023 02:23PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121230633#Comment_121230633

Where did you hear that? I've heard from the horse's mouth that all but only a couple of DB routes could use these buses without having to charge them during the working day. All now charge at the depot, only after hours. They can CCS DC fast charge at 150kW and they have 350kWh available battery.

Average Dublin Bus does 250km per day, so that can easily be done on a single charge

CoBo55 · 13-10-2023 02:43PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232574#Comment_121232574

Exactly, I'm sure they've done their research before buying them.

unkel · 13-10-2023 02:54PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232691#Comment_121232691

In fairness DB are or were having a lot of issues with the install of DC fast chargers for them, due to planning.

DaveyDave · 13-10-2023 03:18PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232772#Comment_121232772

Someone on Reddit claiming to be in the know, but if course that means nothing. Was just curious if anyone heard they were being rolled out onto normal routes or not. I can't imagine any routes are huge mileage.

unkel · 13-10-2023 03:20PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232892#Comment_121232892

Huge capital expenses in the rollout, so I expect it to be slow. But I'll ask later if I get a chance

josip · 13-10-2023 03:29PM

From a pedestrian perspective, I'm really looking forward to the electrification of the DB fleet. It's going to have a much bigger impact on life in Dublin than electrification of private cars. Unlike a car, most of the bus noise comes from the diesel engine, rather than tyre noise. Especially so when starting off from stopped which is quite frequent for a bus.

wassie · 13-10-2023 03:39PM

If our political masters were serious about revolutionising public transport, they should take it one step further and simply copy what they are doing else where in the world...especially China.

Their Autonomous Rapid Transit (ART) is a battery powered track-less tram system that utilises self driving technology. No need for expensive tram tacks, just upgrade the existing road infrastructure. A mass rollout of this system could be achieved within a few years instead of decades, improve pedestrian access not only into the city, but around it also, whilst reducing congestion at the same time.

https://traveltomorrow.com/chinas-trackless-trams-could-revitalize-city-suburbs/

liamog · 13-10-2023 03:45PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121233004#Comment_121233004

I don't think there is anyway we could deliver BRT infrastructure quickly in this city, if your going to spend that much effort you may as well install the tracks as it makes it much easier to stop encroachment on the busway.

DaveyDave · 13-10-2023 03:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232952#Comment_121232952

The hybrid buses are rolled out on my local routes, so noise isn't too much concern as they rarely get up to speed due to junctions, speed bumps, roundabouts etc.

It'll be a long, long time before all the secondhand diesels are off the roads unfortunately. People like their secondhand diesel Audis and the like...

Gumbo · 13-10-2023 06:56PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121230633#Comment_121230633

Training involves maintaining passenger numbers as the numbers are reduced. Also what to do in an emergency situation.

Normally buses go out for the day and drivers are swapped at selected bus stops throughout the city so they don’t go back to the depot during the day as such.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-10-2023 08:06PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121233004#Comment_121233004

What happens when some a$$holes paint over the lines? Or paint new lines going down a different street?

liamog · 13-10-2023 09:34PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121234103#Comment_121234103

That's easy, the driver (all the current examples have one) steers the bus back to it's planned route.

Gumbo · 13-10-2023 09:47PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232892#Comment_121232892

Drivers are currently going through training for them. They have been testing them with onboard ballast to simulate real world conditions. They expect about 280-300km range. Normally a bus leaves the depot that morning with a full tank and drivers swap out at a specific bus stop leaving the bus on the road and in operation.

These may have to go back to the depot for charging mid shift or they may just use them in the city to reduce city emissions.

Lower passenger numbers also and no luggage storage so that rules out the airport routes.

Gumbo · 13-10-2023 09:49PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121232574#Comment_121232574

DB have ordered 120 of them. At €800k each. But with the current cost of petrol they think it will pay off.

Chargers are being installed in depots as a matter of urgency. They are waiting on some Hitachi charging system.

the_amazing_raisin · 13-10-2023 10:36PM

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/121234669#Comment_121234669

Ah so it's the old trick of referring to the human as an automation system 😉

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