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Russia - threadbanned users in OP

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Field east


    This 1000mls - make that 2000mls. Just to make sure that we have ‘included everything’ - might have been very significant in the era of the ‘horse and cart’ but we have moved on internationally and we are now in the era of operating be remote control, cyber space and ALL that that entails, under cover agents , missiles that can travel 1000s ‘ of miles in minutes, mobile nuclear launchpads throughout the world, etc, etc. and if some of the above is not feasible then it is only a matter of time as technology advances. Just look at what’s happening re sending space ships to the moon , mars, etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Israel never pays . America always foots the bill.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,132 ✭✭✭homah_7ft


    On the flip side of the conflict in Israel is we all know where the weaponry is coming from. Expect some more strikes on Iranian drone production.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,603 ✭✭✭Field east


    Looking at any commodity on a worldwide basis and that is internationally traded and take oil as an example. Ru exported oil at a certain price and , I suppose , depending on the price the amount exported will go up and down. This is a seasonal movement and follows a certain pattern - UNLESS there is a massive international upheaval - eg Saudi Arabia decides not to export any more oil.

    then , on the other side - the demand side- that have countries that have an import requirement. I would not expect the annual amount imported to widely fluctuate . So a similar tonnage of oil is imported year on year to fuel industry and domestic requirements.

    So Ru , having lost the EU and other markets for its oil and gas has to go elsewhere to find customers - customers that have their supply lines / forward purchasing already in place. So why , for example would India be buying more oil than it has been traditionally buying from its ‘customary suppliers’ . The only reason ,IMO, it that it has spare storage capacity and wants to build up a supply of CHEAP RU OIL for the rainy day. So Ru might have found a market for its EU oil but at a bargain price to INDIA . And of course there is increased cost to Ru re extra shipping distance. Then what happens when India’s storage tanks are FULL. Then where does RU go?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They have previously ran low during wars

    This could well be a massive war , Israel could well decide to take a trip to Tehran



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,740 ✭✭✭20silkcut


    Wonder would the republicans resist assisting Israel with the same veracity they resist assisting Ukraine. Would they use the same arguments. Would Saudi Arabia assist an Israeli adventure into Iran ?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,833 ✭✭✭✭TheValeyard


    Trip to Tehran was always a year or two out anyhow. This may accelerate the timeline.

    Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Absolutely I think the Americans will struggle to stop them this time ,they have previous shown they can fly into Iran and make strikes with their F35s unopposed



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 449 ✭✭thereitisgone


    Wont post the videos here, thought i had got desensitized about these videos from the Ukraine war

    But these videos showing the deaths and torture of Israelis are just totally next level brutal

    And im not saying this because they are Israeli not Russian or Ukrainian

    Totally shocking

    Israel in the past started a war over one kidnapped soldier, what's going to happen now

    I have had always had sympathy for the Palestine cause but most of that has been eroded today

    If its even suspected that Iran played a part in todays action, i can see America coming in very very heavy quickly

    They were already probably close because of the drones to Russia

    Post edited by thereitisgone on


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Russia has come out with a call for peace and respect of the Palestinian territory within the '67 border's








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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,627 ✭✭✭zv2


    "We call for an immediate ceasefire and a peace plan based on the establishment of an independent Ukrainian state within the 1991 borders, with Kyiv as its capital." - Sounds good Lav.

    It looks like history is starting up again.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,563 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Basically Russia and Iran wound up the Palestinians to attack Israel.

    Who else was in the axis of evil that Russia could persuade to start a war in some other part of the world not in Ukraine?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,236 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Israel thought cosying up to Russia might make Russia have a word with Iran to soften their stance on Israel.


    See how that worked out.


    This could be good for Ukraine if Israel decides to put an end to Irans drone production.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    I seen these videos also. I still sympathise with the people but what I seen today on telegram was barbaric. Whatever about attacking Israeli forces don't start shooting young woman driving cars down the street. Dragging bloody woman, children and civilian men and parading them. This is on the same level of brutality as the Russians in bucha. How can you support this?


    Don't be surprised if Gaza is no more in a few months. The Russians have showed the template. Level entire cities, forcing the civilians to flee and then continue bombing until all opposition is gone. They might decide to turn Gaza into the next Aleppo or Mariupol. An absolute disaster which has been enabled by Russia and Iran.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Apparently the shaheeds Russia use are now produced in Russia.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Now they are getting a rocket engine giving them greater speed and range along with bigger warheads



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    All the more reason to give Ukraine the means to attack these factories. The USA wouldn't stand for it for a second.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Ukraine attacks factories in Iran , think about that for a minute, it would inspire a Iranian call to arms for Muslims across Europe to make their way Ukraine and engage in jihad against the unholy jews and Christians,as well as Russia getting bigger and better weapons from Iran ,

    The Ukrainians don't need any other countries getting involved when they are currently struggling to get the supplies it badly needs.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,395 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    Russian factories - my man, Who said anything about attacking Iran??



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 102 ✭✭goodlad_ourvlad




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,112 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt



    I'm starting to wonder why we've been supporting them so much.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,378 ✭✭✭RGARDINR


    I think this is a a major problem Ukraine have. Time. I know Time is not good for Russia either. Just look at where the attention of the world is now focused on, it's on Israel. The longer this conflict goes on the more things that will happen across the world and the attention will not focus on Ukraine and the help that they need and fully deserve. Time plays for Russia in my opinion (I might be 100% wrong) but the world's attention and support will get dragged to other conflicts and issues and away from Ukraine and that's the last thing that Ukraine need to happen.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,868 ✭✭✭✭nacho libre


    Russia and Israel have been allies of sorts in the past. I very much doubt Russia wanted this to happen or encouraged it in anyway. They have enough problems already to contend with in Ukraine without incurring the wrath of the Israelis. Iran is the prime suspect.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,200 ✭✭✭Mike3549




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,563 ✭✭✭✭Say my name


    Palestinians gained combat experience fighting for mercenary groups under Putin in Ukraine.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    Where is everyone watching these videos? I don't see them on outlets like BBC. Have they been verified? Might they be AI videos created by Israeli security services for propaganda purposes?

    Probably not, but so hard to know what's real these days unless verified by reliable organisations



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭rogber


    The average pro Palestinian I've met in Ireland can generally be summed up as "I hate Britain. Therefore I must love Palestine, because Israel is like Britain and Palestinians are the Irish"



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,298 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    1) Afghanistan was a war 'over there'. Ukraine is a war 'on their doorstep'. indeed it's in their house as they see it and is painted as by the Moscow regime, a defensive war in their minds. Add in the Kremlin propaganda of nazis set to take them over and it plugs into the historical and existential threat that the Kremlin uses and which was never in play in Afghanistan. That will up their already scarily high tolerance of bodybags for the motherland, a tolerance almost unimaginable in the 'West'.

    2) They've millions of potential cannon fodder material in the hinterlands that can be exhausted long before Moscow and St Pete's are unduly bothered. Now it is a finite 'resource', but it seems it's not running out yet. It's certainly not big enough to take more of Ukraine, but it might be to hang onto the bits they've already stolen.

    3) Hundreds of thousands took to the streets in the US and across the world to protest the US Vietnam war, never mind thousands dodging the draft and it took years for them to pull out. Millions took to the streets across the world including in the US to protest the US Iraq wars and they stayed there for another decade. And that's in democracies. We're not seeing close to that kind of scale of disquiet in Russia and I don't think we will any time soon.

    4) Russia's been planning for war for a long time. The US certainly has stockpiles and production capacity, though even they have had to ramp that up. Yes, the rest have the potential to massively outproduce Russia. The potential. It's not even close to there yet. That ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM is also very much in play. How long will the democracies support Ukraine militarily before it becomes too 'expensive', more pressing domestic issues take the headlines and the notion of stalemate and peace talks comes in to get it over with? That's where putin can currently afford to wait.

    Many worry about Artificial Intelligence. I worry far more about Organic Idiocy.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 287 ✭✭dennis72


    Bakmutize gaza it's a hate filled slum, and every other so called holy site used s an excuse for unholy wars



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