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A combination of handwriting and DNA analysis has revealed the identities of the authors of those letters...

True story 😀

I get where you're coming from, but its a bit of a weak argument. The only real war hawks are the ones sitting in the Kremlin. Why does a desire for peace have to be conditional on rolling over for Putin? Where do Daly and Wallace draw the line? Should the Palestinians all lay down their weapons because, well, "peace"? Or is it a pick-n-mix approach to which peoples are allowed to defend themselves and fight for the basic right of democratic self-determination?

Edit: not having a go at you, more directing the rhetorical questions to Daly and Wallace

What do the Ukrainians want to do?

I've never done that, and I'm quite far from a war hawk (or a kind of chicken-hawk egging on war from safety), you're just setting up a caricature to attack (i.e. a "strawman").

It is up to Ukraine if they want to fight absorbtion of their country into Russia. They do want to fight this process, which even if they ended the war now somehow, and won't oppose it further is far from peaceful.

They need help at the moment, I think supplying it is the right decision and should continue and govt.'s (edit: in Europe) that refuse to do that or (much) worse want to stymie and obstruct others that are doing it are wrong. As of yet, we don't know what a new govt. in Slovakia, if one forms, will actually do in the EU or at home and it is all speculation.

As others said, Putin is the "war hawk", he and Russia brought the war and are escalating it, the disgusting internal propaganda and repression, actions such as large military budget increases, press ganging of more soldiers to throw in as "meat" to suffer in that grinder etc. suggest that "peace" is very far from his mind right now.

There is being pro peace and there is being pro capitulation to the real war hawks. Those who invaded another country in the first place. Should a country not be permitted of defend itself in the face of external aggression and should other s not be able to help them defend themselves?

This idea that somehow those who support people being able to defend themselves are "war hawks" is an inversion of reality that has infected the feeble minded.

This sums it up. It has been a limited success. The success is that Russia is in no place to attack. But Ukrainian gains have been very limited really. This guy is usually very chipper but even he was a little less gung-ho. The main problem imo is lack of air superiority.

Seems that they have been rapidly increasing artillery shell production arms production over the last year, might be up to 2 million a year next year, well short of the 10mn they fire a year

Its far inferior to the West's ammunition but it has the advantage of actually being made and shipped to the front line.

The EU has been talking about giving Ukraine a million shells and building up to a million shells produced a year, slow and weak effort.

Every day that this is not concluded with a Ukrainian win is a little uptick in Russian chances of holding most of what they have long term.

Ukraine can be thankful for what it has received but will rightly also feel it was short changed to break the Russian war machine but leave Putin enough gains to keep in power and ensure Russian State stability.

Why have so many left Ukraine for Europe? Why has Zelensky had to make speeches asking people to return to Ukraine to fight? Why did he have to create a law to stop able bodied men leaving the country?

That doesn’t sound like a people who want to fight to the death

And it's posts like yours that allow Bullys and warmongers to achieve their goals.

So your colleague wants others to fight and die for his freedoms?

Some people want to give into Putin to justify their own failure to tackle bullies in their own lives.

You know the drill. Should countries stop providing support for Ukraine and Russia were to get the upper hand and take a larger chunk of the country leaving a rump Ukraine as Putins puppet, the same posters would be on here decrying "war mongers goading Russia into further aggression" for insisting that a minimum standard of human rights is applied to Ukrainians in occupied territories.