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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,046 ✭✭✭Polar101


    Slovakia isn't exactly a military powerhouse, so if their support wanes, it's not going to have a significant effect on the overall support Ukraine receives.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,547 ✭✭✭Virgil°


    I'm happy to admit I was mistaken on that technical detail. I was confusing irelands policy of military neutrality and not sending lethal aid with our consitutional article 49 which doesn't mention this.

    It's telling however that the user I replied to has chosen to cower and thank the posts that have pulled me up on that detail. Rather than show a little spine reply directly to the thrust of my point.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,248 ✭✭✭amandstu


    It is the support from USA and Europe that is most critical.

    Slovakia has shown that it is home to a segment of the population that seems happy to acquiesce in a flagrant breach of the UN Charter.

    I would not be surprised that ,if they continue down that path their chickens will return to roost at some stage in the future.

    Are we ,in this and neighbouring countries perhaps unaware of the animosities festering between the countries in Eastern (and other parts of) Europe?

    I had no idea till recently there were border disputes (or apparent tensions ) between Hungary and its neighbours.

    Is there any end to this madness?



  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,853 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    Yeah I know that.

    It's not what I was pointing out.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    I recall (following the Ukraine invasion news over past few months) the govt. there provided an air defence system and about a dozen Mig fighters, which is quite impressive (imo).

    So hopefully the departing govt. already supplied most of the big things they could spare, and the new one (if of a less pro Ukraine bent) can whistle if they want to try asking for these back now!

    I suppose the main problem is if a cluster of these "spoiler" countries can cooperate to block further EU support to Ukraine and increased trade sanctions on Russia in the European Council (but situation there wasn't maybe great anyway, with Hungary alone being enough to throw a monkey wrench if a decision needs unanimity).



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They won't be asking for anything back but they won't be sending anything else according to the various reports,if they won't send weapons they won't likely send financial support either, which in turns means others have to contribute more or they say we've given all we can too ,we need to put our security first,but the actual problem which brought us to the was zelensky threatening legal actions against EU states for trying to protect their Agricultural sectors, which hasn't gone down well in the various countries effected directly, billions in weapons and financial support all the while taking in millions of Ukrainian people the Ukrainian government then has a public go at countries and claiming countries are supporting Russia,

    I think it was a poorly executed and calculated move by the Ukrainian government,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,345 ✭✭✭fly_agaric


    The financial support (at EU level) will come from contributor member states ultimately. I don't think Slovakia is one, and I don't think/expect their bilateral aid would be that large. As have mentioned before, the weapons donations I think would be part-financed by the EU (through Peace facility).

    While talking about legal action etc. was a poor move, I am not so sure you are correct on effect of that grain stuff...

    Admit I don't know the country so cannot say for sure, but it is almost always domestic trends that drive voting patterns everywhere, like unhapiness with the government party for specific policies at home, or pinning of blame on them for a weak economy etc.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 86,725 ✭✭✭✭Overheal


    Russia tries to paint decoy images of bombers on their runways

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    "Simple question why didn't the counter offensive not begin in winter,"

    The fact it didn't start until June makes it blindingly obvious that factors besides weather were at play.

    "No reason for modern armies to pause in winter but more than likely that's exactly what happens in any conflict as documented by many failed military offensives during winter"

    What about the ones that suceeded or failed because of non weather related issues, oh.. lets ignore them, just like you ignore the fact that Russia continued to attack over last winter, taking Soledar and pushing into Bakhmut.

    No point in trying to have an honest discussion with you, too many strawmen and refusals to engage with relevant points, bye.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    This winter Russia will have less of an advantage in terms of artillery, less long range missile's, less equipment in general but most important they won't have a 50,000 strong drugged up zombie army straight out of prison. Nobody in Russia cared if these guy's lived or died. I'd be surprised if Ukraine are not the ones who make minor advancements between now and next spring.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    You can be sure the Ukrainian high command are smiling at that. If they keep up the tempo of their attacks on logistics and command, I think we can expect to see Ukrainian lads and lassies dancing over some very cold, damp and unmotivated Russians this year.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TokTik


    They aren’t. They’ll join up with HLAS and the Slovakian Nationalist Party go for a government is what a Slovakian friend has told me.

    HLAS is made up of some former members of SMER who broke away, which he said will make negotiations fairly easy while the Nationalists will be delighted to get on board.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Great fighting in bakmuth and Soledar was going on for months like best part of a year,but yet slowed over the winter months which turned into artillery duels we watched it nightly on here .

    As for the last paragraph looking for a reaction for whatever reason very disengenious



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,949 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    To be blunt, their major contribution (Mig 29s etc.) has been already made. They also have a a contract to supply howitzers, if I recall correctly. Which if they pulled the plug on might hurt at the economic level. Imagine it will quietly be honoured.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    Bit of light reading, unfortunatly the people who should read this are the ones who won't.

    "Putin has long tried to accomplish two distinct objectives: breaking up NATO and seizing full control over Ukraine. Putin’s core objectives from the start of his rule have been preserving his regime, establishing an iron grip on Russia domestically, reestablishing Russia as a great power, and forming a multipolar world order in which Russia has a veto over key global events.[1] Establishing control over Ukraine and eroding US influence have always been essential to these core objectives."

    "There is no path to real peace other than helping Ukraine inflict an unequivocal military defeat on Russia and then helping to rebuild Ukraine into a military and society so strong and resilient that no future Russian leader sees an opportunity like the ones Putin misperceived in 2014 and 2022.

    This path is achievable if the West commits to supporting Ukraine in the prolonged effort likely needed to walk down it. If the West is instead lured by the illusion of some compromise, it may end the pain for now, but only at the cost of much greater pain later. Putin has shown that he views compromise as surrender, and surrender emboldens him to reattack. This war can only end not when Putin feels that he can save face, but rather when he knows that he cannot win."




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 42,559 ✭✭✭✭Boggles


    Whatever nonsense is coming out of Slovakia was just electioneering.

    They are a NATO member and rely on EU funding much like Hungary.

    They will toe the line primarily because it's in their own interest.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,223 ✭✭✭Addmagnet



    One of the rare people for whom the term 'His Excellency' is fitting.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 275 ✭✭Seanmadradubh


    No, the Russians escalated their offensive operations in November making gains all through the winter. Here educate yourself.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Could Ukraine have picked a worse time to have an economic spat with Poland? Hungary already enemies, Slovakia could follow suit with Hungary and the US going through a rocky period with more turbulent times ahead.

    The last thing you want is lukewarm relations with your strongest ally and neighbor. Ukraine have played a blinder for most of this but that was a major blunder recently.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Bakmuth went on for 10 months,it's actually very well documented on this very thread it slowed in winter and then escalated later in the year before it was lost



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    They don't have to toe any line they have given substantial aid and more than likely left their own security with gaps ,



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Somebody's definitely messed up here and rather than trying to de-escalate they then come out with countries are actively involved in supporting Russia in the war ,

    It's gone from humility and humbleness to snapping at the hands of friendships and those who without questions gave billions in support , large number weapons and munitions and took in millions of Ukrainian people



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,086 ✭✭✭TokTik


    https://x.com/xrperun/status/1708951842464391211?s=46&t=6cLnc0ZtzhK8nMknfB_HwQ

    EU already interfering with a democratically elected leader. Aren’t they great with the whole democracy.

    Back Ukraine or we’ll cut you off. Dangerous game to be playing.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Entertainment Moderators Posts: 36,711 CMod ✭✭✭✭pixelburp


    It is bizarre to see Eastern European states side with Russia, especially this Russia whose lament for the break up of the USSR is quite public and demonstrable.

    Exactly what are these Slovaks, Hungarians pining for exactly? Rations and secret police? I get the appeal of nostalgia but I find it hard to believe myopia is that strong whole masses would pine for the day of a puppet Soviet government.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,106 ✭✭✭Christy42


    What?


    This is the same nonsense that the UK came out with. We will do what we like but you have to fund it or you hate democracy! And people complain about left wingers wanting free money.


    If countries have common interests then they should obviously work together but if one is working towards reducing the military security of the rest then obviously they won't have the same interests in common.


    It is always the democratic intent of the more extreme countries that have to be listened to as well. If democratically elected leaders of Germany or Sweden don't want to put their countries money towards hurting the people of the Ukraine that doesn't count as democracy and they should be forced to use their money towards Slovakia because their votes supercede the German ones for some reason.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,534 ✭✭✭RoyalCelt


    Isn't it more that they're staying neutral then helping Russia but from a Russian POV in this current climate they'd consider this a very friendly action.

    Hopefully Slovakia have already handed over most of what they can spare.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,781 ✭✭✭macraignil


    Some news on continued progress by Ukraine in the Bakhmut area with moskovyte defense lines breached and fire control achieved over the southern access road to Bakhmut.




  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,887 ✭✭✭yagan


    I always find that UK/US news outlets always hail a Slovakia type result as an entire government switch out because of the binary nature of their own winner takes all democracies.

    All it does highlight how a that not all democracy is the same, some like the UK and USA are more volatile than most others but are mostly unaware of that fact.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Slovakia doesn't have a lot of anything really they retired all of the mig aircraft from service,they don't have to fund storage or breaking up costs by sending to Ukraine so they have saved money there ,they also gave Ukraine their S300 anti aircraft systems, only because they were given patriots and other NATO system while waiting for the new Mantis system from Germany they also have 14 F16s on order,but financially they are pretty much one of the smallest gdps in Europe with high inflation and a lot of borrowing so you can see they aren't in a place to long term keep giving what they don't necessarily have to give



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