General Premier League Thread 2023-24 Mod Note in op 27/6/23 And 21/05/24

They could. I see these sorts of mistakes every day of the week in my work. It can happen anywhere because where you have humans, you have mistakes. The trick is to strengthen the process to eliminate the possibility of errors - not hang individuals.

Vincent Kompany spoke very well on this today.

Or any of my workmates :)

What's ironic is some of people outraged by Spurs call were delighted to see same result in Liverpool v Newcastle last season game in which Isak had perfect goal ruled offside. But apparently then Newcastle "deserved" it.

People talking about "in my work" can you please jog on!

Even with ludicrous injury time slots here, we are looking at a two hour window!!

My wife does 12 hour shifts in hospital, no f**k ups allowed there, I can tell you.

If you cannot commit for just two hours, with a 15 minute break in the middle, you might be in the wrong job.

Its all on Darren England, were they not watching the game at all? When he saw the free kick awarded to Spurs for offside, why didn't he get in the ear of Hooper and tell him stop the game, that's a goal you misunderstood.

They to at the very least release the audio of the incident.

Maybe because it’s a discussion forum where people come to have a chat or a rant, much like you just did 🤣

I have.

2019/2020 - 6th

20202/2021 - 7th

2021/2022 - 4th

2022/2023 - 8th

Suggesting Spurs will finish top 4 is being generous given their recent history. A suggestion they'll finish around 6th is absolutely fair.

Apart from the Arsenal offside the other decisions people have issue with are all subjective. When you are dealing with decisions that are subjective you should accept that mistaken interpretations of the laws will happen, especially when they have limited time to make a decision.

What happened with Liverpool and arsenal had nothing to do with a subjective decision. For Liverpool it came down to two people responsible for VAR not ha inf a clue what actually happened on the pitch during the match. It's bizarre. The reality is if this happened in Russia, Africa or south America people would be putting it down to corruption because it is that bad.

Also, I don't think its about the whole league standing against VAR. But if clubs that had been wronged had made stronger demands the situation might have already been fixed.

Well firstly why did you pick those years and not go back to 15/16 for example. Secondly we have a complete new style of play, better players, better manager. History doesn’t define current season and you’re comparing apples with oranges. I understand Liverpool fans need a scapegoat. But spurs isn’t it.

Has there never been such an example? Have you listened to the audio from every single controversial VAR decision to conclude that Saturday was unique?

I can tell you what makes me annoyed. I have pointed out systematic problems with VAR, including the lack of professionalism, the matey comments from Dean, the lack of diversity in recruitment of referees, the absence of a performance culture etc., and it was ignored, but, suddenly, because Liverpool were on the wrong end of a decision, VAR is bad.

It bothers me that getting rid of VAR is being considered a solution.

VAR as a concept is a good one - having access to more data shouldn’t be seen as a bad thing.

But having one organisation implement and execute it doesn’t work, and has led to the referees being a law unto themselves.

Would separate organisations work? PGMOL manage matchday refereeing, training etc, with a separate organisation that manages the VAR procedures and post match reviews - a sort of refereeing regulator.

There’s a very sinister undercurrent to the outrage from Liverpool fans though. You’re not the first to use the corruption word and, whether deliberately or not, you’re creating an impression there was something underhand going on. Of course, you can say that you, and others, are just random people on the internet so what does it matter. Well, all that noise gathers pace and Liverpool themselves released an official statement saying that sporting integrity had been undermined. Again, a not so subtle inference that this was deliberate.

Liverpool suffered a very bad call at the weekend. But it was a mistake. Human error. It’s **** but it happens in every walk of life and has happened for as long as sports have been played.

Here's a list of all of the PGMOL statements where they have admitted they fecked up. None have the example on Saturday where the VAR was telling the ref to give a goal as his lineman was wrong. But he assume they were saying not to give it.

This has to change the wording for future cases or else the same thing will keep happening over and over again and we will have wrong decisions again and again again.

Leave the clubs out of it, and it's easier to talk about VAR.