Peter McVerry Trust has 'financial issues'.

Oh, yes, big savings. I was just refuting the claim that participation in the CE scheme costs a sponsor nothing.

 and requires a social care qualification. 

No it doesn't 90% of the staff that work for PMV or DePaul Ireland don't have social care qualifcations.

Just look at Indeed or any other jobs site will show you that.

I can tell you I know one DePaul hostel that has staff with no qualifcations and one with a geography degree working as there key workers.

The managers of the hostels are usually the ones with qualifcations in social care and they very rarely interact with the service users.

Well, actually I did blame governance. I pointed out in an earlier post that charities are not allowed by law to pay board members. That means they end up with volunteers, many of them not well versed in governance or not necessarily devoting enough time as they are unpaid. I don't think you understand governance.

Activelink is there as well of course.

The internal promotions happen but you don't need to be qualified life experience can get you a key worker position with some of these services.

A lot of these staff have been there for years and can be grandfathered in.

All kinds of hostels mens, womens, mixed and family.

PMVT or other homeless services are not going to hire hundreds qualified social care workers to work 24/7 365 on €35k to €55k a year.

The qualified social care workers mostly work normal hours Monday to Friday.

They hire what they call caretakers, relief workers,support workers etc these take up the majority of jobs these services use and very few if any of them are work a 39 hour week the hire lots and lots of casual workers and none of them need social care qualifcations.

This is the same for private home care services that are funded by State minimum staff number of staff qualified social care and the majority training to do level 5 etc

So your just trolling annoying the thread for you own amusment then instead of actually participating.

Fair enough.

I did explain my claims, quite clearly with links to their accounts. You are deflecting. What are you trying to hide about PMVT? Is there more hidden away?

No you haven't. Lets try once more.

Your claim was they spend a fortune and make the problems worse and that's some of the reasons you don't like them.

I asked you to explain that, what's your reference for such a claim. How do they make the problems worse and...

Have you a cost analysis?

Does the government or agencies of the government provide the same services, do these cost less are they more efficient?

Lots of charities employ nurse both general and psychiatric others employ various types of counsellors , tradesmen as part of maintenance teams , IT staff and so on , all to work free ? Never mind the various types of project worker s and social care workers. Would you be willing to work at night ,over the Christmas and public holidays for free ?

Ok, they are spending €50m a year, more and more each year, and the problems of homelessness is getting worse. Which bit of that is so hard to understand? The Government are throwing more and more money every year at the poverty industry yet things get worse. It is such a waste that the government would be much better off shutting down those charities and giving the money directly to the public.

So

(1) Is PMVT spending more and more money every years? Yes

(2) Is the problem getting worse? Yes

So now that I have answered your question, dealt with your distraction and whataboutery, maybe we could get back on topic to the financial shenanigans in PMVT, and you can answer the questions I have raised about their accounts, which happens to be the topic of this thread.

If you want to ask a further question about the government and homelessness, I'll only answer that on the government thread. I am here to talk about PMVT financials and not get diverted.

If true, this is absolutely appalling- but perhaps explains why the staff are ineffective.

Bottom line to me is if they receive money from the gov, tax payer then no matter what services they supply their accounts need to be open honest accurate and completely above board.

Whoever is on the board needs to be hauled up to answer every question.

And they shouldn't be allowed to do a 'Dee Forbes'.

An awful lot is wasted on the begging letters. From what I have gleaned from accounts, it can be up to 60% of the amount raised. Now, if charities were more transparent about their accounts, I would be able to verify that, or clarify and change it.