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I didn't realise that there was so much money flowing through the Trust. In around €50m in 2022 alone.
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AndrewJRenko
Oh, yes, big savings. I was just refuting the claim that participation in the CE scheme costs a sponsor nothing.
My problem is with the charity, can't account properly, spends a fortune and makes the problem worse, etc.
and requires a social care qualification.
No it doesn't 90% of the staff that work for PMV or DePaul Ireland don't have social care qualifcations.
Just look at Indeed or any other jobs site will show you that.
I can tell you I know one DePaul hostel that has staff with no qualifcations and one with a geography degree working as there key workers.
The managers of the hostels are usually the ones with qualifcations in social care and they very rarely interact with the service users.
Have you a cost analysis?
Does the government or agencies of the government provide the same services, do these cost less are they more efficient?
Correct but sure it's Mrs bumble to be expected
Whataboutery something else to deflect from the problems of the charity.
Do you have a vested interest? Do you work there? Because you are going out of your way to defend the charity.
I have asked some serious questions here. How did they miss €4m doing the 2020 accounts that they found again a year later? How come the board in March 2022 when signing off the accounts not realise that owing €5.7m in income tax when only having a surplus of €1.8m was a problem?
Maybe if you reflected on those questions, all of which I provided links to explain, you might understand why people are asking hard questions.
Everything on your list is pretty much covered by DSP as part of the scheme, the cost of a scheme is generally the admin needed
Insurances are covered by DSP in most cases
Managers wages are covered by DSP
CE scheme participants can do the admin
Materials and tools provided are all refunded subject to receipts
Do you have a vested interest?
Nope. Are you? You seem to be going out of your way to deflect from blaming governance?
Your claim was they spend a fortune and make the problems worse and that's some of the reasons you don't like them.
I asked you to explain that, what's your reference for such a claim. How do they make the problems worse and...
In your own time.
Well, actually I did blame governance. I pointed out in an earlier post that charities are not allowed by law to pay board members. That means they end up with volunteers, many of them not well versed in governance or not necessarily devoting enough time as they are unpaid. I don't think you understand governance.
90% is an astonishing figure , that’s going to be an issue when staff required to register with CORU.
Do you know what type of hostels they are ?
I was of the opinion that’s most recruiting is done using Activelink or internally .
Activelink is there as well of course.
The internal promotions happen but you don't need to be qualified life experience can get you a key worker position with some of these services.
A lot of these staff have been there for years and can be grandfathered in.
All kinds of hostels mens, womens, mixed and family.
PMVT or other homeless services are not going to hire hundreds qualified social care workers to work 24/7 365 on €35k to €55k a year.
The qualified social care workers mostly work normal hours Monday to Friday.
They hire what they call caretakers, relief workers,support workers etc these take up the majority of jobs these services use and very few if any of them are work a 39 hour week the hire lots and lots of casual workers and none of them need social care qualifcations.
This is the same for private home care services that are funded by State minimum staff number of staff qualified social care and the majority training to do level 5 etc
Ahh I’m just annoying you , I’m a homeless service social care worker.
So your just trolling annoying the thread for you own amusment then instead of actually participating.
Fair enough.
Lighten up a little.
I did explain my claims, quite clearly with links to their accounts. You are deflecting. What are you trying to hide about PMVT? Is there more hidden away?
I can have a problem with both. The govt for throwing money at them and the charity for mismanaging it. Hardly a month goes by without some "irregularity" in the plethora of set-up-your-own charadees.
No you haven't. Lets try once more.
I wouldn't ban charities altogether as there are lots of people committed to addressing various problems.
However I would ban anyone from being paid by a charity. If you believe in the cause you will volunteer.
The only exception I would make is for the professional auditors.
Lots of charities employ nurse both general and psychiatric others employ various types of counsellors , tradesmen as part of maintenance teams , IT staff and so on , all to work free ? Never mind the various types of project worker s and social care workers. Would you be willing to work at night ,over the Christmas and public holidays for free ?
I would definitely start defund homeless services that keep the revolving door of homelessness open for a large majory of the service users instead of actually putting the work into preventing those same service users becoming homeless over and over again because the goverment money keeps rolling in the more beds that are filled in these services and it doesn't matter if that service user has been made homeless 2 times 3 times or ten times before.
Charities like the Irish Cancer Society should be getting more funding and not having to rely on Daffodil Day fund rasing to pay for nurses.
Ok, they are spending €50m a year, more and more each year, and the problems of homelessness is getting worse. Which bit of that is so hard to understand? The Government are throwing more and more money every year at the poverty industry yet things get worse. It is such a waste that the government would be much better off shutting down those charities and giving the money directly to the public.
So
(1) Is PMVT spending more and more money every years? Yes
(2) Is the problem getting worse? Yes
So now that I have answered your question, dealt with your distraction and whataboutery, maybe we could get back on topic to the financial shenanigans in PMVT, and you can answer the questions I have raised about their accounts, which happens to be the topic of this thread.
If you want to ask a further question about the government and homelessness, I'll only answer that on the government thread. I am here to talk about PMVT financials and not get diverted.
Ok, they are spending €50m a year, more and more each year, and the problems of homelessness is getting worse. Which bit of that is so hard to understand?
All of it. Largely because it is illogical.
It's in part government policy and lack of policy that is making homelessness worse. That's a fact you seem unable to not just understand but acknowledge.
You have offered no reference point for the €50m. Because you don't have one.
It is such a waste that the government would be much better off shutting down those charities and giving the money directly to the public.
Would they not be better offer actually funding the services they pay the charities to do?
Fingers in ears?
Government policy is directly linked into why the Trust now has financial issues.
If true, this is absolutely appalling- but perhaps explains why the staff are ineffective.
No reference point for the €50m???? It is in the accounts that they spent €50m.
Oh, maybe you are right, perhaps their accounting is so bad, we can't conclude that they spent €50m.
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The issue is how things get done in Ireland, he who shouts the loudest which in practice is...... x ngo/charity has as an issue, x discovers Tusla, the HSE, Pobal, won't stump up or else X is being directed to some support in how they could be managed better, x isnst happy with that so they get in touch with friendly journalist hoping for a bit in the newspapers or even better a bit on an RTE current affairs program. The charity does this in order to put pressure on the government to give them more money. I would say the friendly journalists have been swamped coming up to the budget.
Bottom line to me is if they receive money from the gov, tax payer then no matter what services they supply their accounts need to be open honest accurate and completely above board.
Whoever is on the board needs to be hauled up to answer every question.
And they shouldn't be allowed to do a 'Dee Forbes'.
Problem is it seems the government does give plenty on your behalf, without asking your consent.
I too do not contribute to these charity "businesses", indeed when they shake the box or request card details, I remind then I am a tax payer and that is my contribution.
I do wonder though how much is wasted on the likes of begging letters to the resident, occupier, householder that drop in my door via An Post at a growing frequency.
An awful lot is wasted on the begging letters. From what I have gleaned from accounts, it can be up to 60% of the amount raised. Now, if charities were more transparent about their accounts, I would be able to verify that, or clarify and change it.
Individual staff or collectively?
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