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N2 - Slane Bypass [planning decision pending]

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Public realm for the village to be included as part of the bypass proposal

    https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2021/05/21/new-street-layouts-and-upgrades-will-be-a-game-changer-for-slane/


  • Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭specialbyte


    marno21 wrote: »
    Public realm for the village to be included as part of the bypass proposal

    https://www.meathchronicle.ie/2021/05/21/new-street-layouts-and-upgrades-will-be-a-game-changer-for-slane/

    This is great to see. It is much needed with many other bypass projects across the country. The goal of bypass projects is to get long-distance strategic traffic out of villages like Slane. Too frequently bypasses get built and the villages and towns they bypass don't see the follow-up step of reallocating space for people walking, cycling or greenery to downscale the previously wide traffic heavy road through the village or town.

    I suspect ABP will look way more favourably at bypass projects that also look at improving and consolidating bypassed towns.

    Slightly unrelated topic, I've always thought that the Galway city bypass application should have been paired with some traffic changes in the city centre. Galway City Council have been reluctant to do any kind of pedestrianisation, bus gates or cycle lanes in the city until the bypass is built. My fear is that they build the bypass, then they don't follow through with any of the promised action. Over time Galway's city streets will fill back up with cars again, making it an uphill battle to reallocate space. It's great to see Meath County Council taking a different approach with Slane. The Port Tunnel in Dublin was a great combined approach. The week they opened the tunnel for HGVs they implemented new policy to restrict HGVs in Dublin City. If a project's goal is to reduce traffic then it should be paired with policy/infrastructure changes to make sure that traffic reduction is for the long term.


  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Latest:

    A preferred route has been identified. The detailed design and preparation of the statutory documents are underway. Phase 3 - Design and Environmental Evaluation, expected to be complete in Q3 2021. The preliminary business case is being progressed. It is anticipated that this scheme will proceed to planning approval late 2021 or early 2022. This scheme will be progressed with a public realm scheme. As this scheme has yet to proceed to statutory approval the cost estimates and programme for construction are not currently available. 

    Post edited by spacetweek on


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭duffman3833


    Seems to be picking up a gear at last



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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Eamon Ryan said yesterday in the Oireachtas Committee that this 3.4km single carriageway is looking like being a €100m+ project.

    Based on that, it's some time away yet.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Spiaire


    I thought it was to be as Type 2 Dual?


    That Ryan fella's not got a clue about roads at all. The man is a muppet



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    €100 m for a 400m-long bridge and 3km of approach roads is not expensive. Type 2 is most likely, as the road to either side of the project is Wide Single.

    The new N2 at Slane is actually exactly the kind of project that Eamon Ryan has pushed for - a small work that doesn’t encourage car commuting, with high benefits for the local environment. The current situation is clearly not good for the environment: heavy-goods vehciles idling at traffic lights is just carbon emissions for no economic good; on the new road, freight could operate much more efficiently. And, as I’ve said before, when transport is electrified, we will still need road improvements - in fact, for electric transport, the road is a bigger factor in transportation energy use than it is with combustion vehicles.

    Ryan is at the top of a notoriously fractious party; and when he talks down roads, I’m willing to give him the benefit of the doubt and assume that a lot of this is a show to placate the hard-line elements in his party - the ones who want to completely ban cars and stop people buying fossil-fuel and go live in some imaginary Hobbiton ... largely because their well-paid profession and inherited wealth allows them to do without a car, and invest in expensive, high-tech heating systems for the house they own, rather than have to rent.



  • Registered Users Posts: 35 Spiaire


    Those are all fair points.


    Ryan and his party were summed up nicely, there.

    It's time they were put out of office.

    They couldn't run a bath, never mind a party.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,000 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    I support them and their policies, but I accept that environmentalism is a very broad subject with a huge amount of disagreement and it's hard to lead a party based on that.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    €100m for a 400m-long bridge and 3km of approach roads would seem expensive. I checked the N25 New Ross Bypass as a sort of benchmark, it was just under €300m for 13.6km of dual carriageway, 1.2km of SC and an almost 1km long, unique bridge. That was a PPP and also includes design, build, finance, operate and maintenance of the road and bridge for 25 years.



  • Registered Users Posts: 790 ✭✭✭mydiscworld


    Has the preferred route gone for planning yet?



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,000 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Not yet, supposed to happen in this quarter.

    Last update from the TII: "A preferred route has been identified. The detailed design and preparation of the statutory documents are underway. Phase 3 - Design and Environmental Evaluation, expected to be complete in Q3 2021. The preliminary business case is being progressed. It is anticipated that this scheme will proceed to planning approval late 2021 or early 2022. This scheme will be progressed with a public realm scheme."



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The consultation on the Draft Slane Public Realm Plan 2022 closed last week but the details are here, harmless enough really, the kind of thing which should have been done a long time ago;



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,000 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Planning app was meant to happen in Q1, still no word.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Registered Users Posts: 1,036 ✭✭✭duffman3833


    Lets hope it not like the Galway one and has taken all factors into consideration and wont need to be re done



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    Well the application to ABP hasn't been made yet and the Climate Action Plan was published long enough ago so no excuses. Galway also serves as a warning and you'd expect it be heeded.

    The Slane bypass also includes the public realm improvements so there is an integrated approach considering things beyond simply the road itself, unlike Galway.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Is there a reason why the N51 on the Navan side of slane was never included to bypass the village in this project as you have a huge HGV volume also using the N51



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,000 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Meath Chronicle article says N2 scheme will be dual carriageway. Previously this scheme was dual then downgraded to single. Now either it's back to dual or else the journalist is talking out of his jacksie.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    I think it will be dual, most likely a 2+2.

    N2 carries more traffic at Slane, and more HGV traffic, than it does along the more northern sections (Ardee-Castleblaney, Clontibret-Border), which are both to be built as Type 2 DC..



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,000 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    OK but it's about time the toll was removed on the M1 Drogheda, N33 renumbered to N2, and N2 from Dublin-Ardee renumbered to N33.

    Not sure how much longer it's going to take the TII/DoT to realise.



  • Registered Users Posts: 3,704 ✭✭✭roadmaster


    Between Kilmoon and slane you will be left with a 15km strip of standard carriageway between two dual carriageways. Will we long term see them connected up?



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,510 ✭✭✭KrisW1001


    Apart from the toll removal (which is a different matter), what purpose would this serve at all except to confuse people who are used to the existing route numbers? N33 and N2 are both Primary roads already, and there is absolutely no legal significance to a route having a single-digit number.



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,820 ✭✭✭Pete_Cavan


    The options selection report was done on the basis of Type 1 SC so that is the most likely cross-section.

    I wouldn’t be holding my breath for the Rath - Kilmoon cross project.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21




  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,000 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    It wasn't ever off the table. Last reportage was in Jan this year which confirmed it would go to ABP this year. That's still the situation.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,380 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Off to ABP in Q3 2023 all going well.



  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 5,000 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    Listed in Dept of Public Expenditure (page 30 of the PDF) as contractor procure in Q4 2024 and construction from 2024-2026 which doesn't sound plausible.



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