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Euthanasia, your views

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  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    Euthanasis would only be available in a clinical setting, it wouldn't be a free for all where we could smother someone with a pillow over their face.

    Do you really believe that would be allowed?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,149 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    I think that if it was a legal option, there would be some uptake, but it would also give people an incentive to reassess their lives and why they might want to stick around. I remember seeing the first episode of Futurama, when Fry accidentally runs in to the "booth" and is given a couple of options for how to make an exit. It got me thinking about a future in which that might exist and the effect it would have on people's thinking. I think it would be liberating to know that the exit was available, even if you won't consider heading in that direction for a very long time.

    You are the type of what the age is searching for, and what it is afraid it has found. I am so glad that you have never done anything, never carved a statue, or painted a picture, or produced anything outside of yourself! Life has been your art. You have set yourself to music. Your days are your sonnets.

    ―Oscar Wilde predicting Social Media, in The Picture of Dorian Gray



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,106 ✭✭✭manonboard


    My deepest and sincerest condolences for what you and your friend had to experience. The story you shared was really disturbing and impacting, Im very sorry for that experience. I wish you all the best with your current situation.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,401 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 52,661 CMod ✭✭✭✭magicbastarder


    it did get reasonably widely reported; but again, even if it's true, it does not inform the debate about euthanasia. a botched procedure does not tell us whether a legitimate procedure is a good or bad thing.



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  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Kyree Vast Checkbook


    I didn’t read the article before forming my opinions on the matter.

    you’re not going to change my mind about it either.



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Kyree Vast Checkbook


    In fairness I probably wouldn’t have believed it either only for the story circulating at the min about a surgeon who implanted springs into children…



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    I'm not trying to change your mind. I'm just pointing out that you're wrong if you think anyone can take it upon themselves to kill a terminally ill loved one.

    The decision for euthanasia is taken by the patient only, and the procedure is carried out in a clinical setting.

    If anyone decides to whack grandpa over the head with a shovel in the back garden that would be murder, not euthanasia.



  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Kyree Vast Checkbook


    I didn’t say I think that, I said I wouldn’t agree with it and I wouldn’t like to be asked in an unofficial setting, which does happen.

    Assisted suicide takes many forms, not necessarily just in clinical settings. In any case it wouldn’t be something I’d agree with and certainly not to the extent of Canada for instance who offers it to their homeless..



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    You said this in a previous post:

    Id like to think that my friends or family would rather not request something like that of me or anyone else involved honestly.

    Why would anyone request it of you? You won't be asked to end someone's life if euthanasia is legal, there will be medical professionals for that.



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  • Posts: 7,272 ✭✭✭ Kyree Vast Checkbook


    sorry I edited the post because I misread at first

    but as I say you are rather naive to think it does not happen in private settings, I didn’t say it happened legally, but it certainly happens. I’m sure there’s plenty of ways to “help” that wouldn’t necessarily involve you pulling the trigger— or swinging the shovel.

    I think legal euthanasia would perhaps encourage more of this from people who don’t fit the criteria but feel that’s unfair or whatever since they feel like there’s “no harm”, or worse well end up offering it to the junkies or homeless like Canada..



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,401 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 20,851 Mod ✭✭✭✭Leg End Reject


    It happening in private settings is irrelevant to legalising euthanasia though, and if proven would still be illegal even if euthanasia was allowed.

    There would be strict protocols and only medical professionals could oversee it. I really don't see it being used as a sort of eugenics to rid the streets of junkies and homeless people in Ireland.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,401 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    We're in another abortion pills situation here, desperate people will always find a way.

    The alleged sale of fatal poison to people in Ireland by a man suspected of aiding others to take their own lives is unlikely to result in criminal charges in the Republic. Garda sources have confirmed the accused man, Canadian chef Kenneth Law (57), sold the chemical substance to more than 10 people in Ireland.

    A small number of those, believed to be fewer than five, have since died suddenly. However, it is not yet known if their deaths resulted from consuming the substance they bought from the Canadian. 

    Better to stop the pointless moralising and allow a regulated, legal option.

    I'm partial to your abracadabra,

    I'm raptured by the joy of it all.



  • Posts: 0 [Deleted User]


    I'm in favour of it. People saying "they can kill themselves, tough" are just heartless, edgy types. Zero empathy. Like a person who is in absolute agony can just do that.

    They've no idea of just how haunting it is to see a person in unbearable pain, and maybe they'd feel differently if they were going through it themselves or their loved one was.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,138 ✭✭✭realitykeeper


    Regarding care for the elderly, I see geriatricians oppose means assessments for the elderly. Could this be because they themselves are so overpaid they would be deemed able to fund their own care?

    Time to take the hatchet to geriatricians pay methinks.



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